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Offline Joe L

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P-10C and new shooter, range report
« on: June 20, 2017, 11:05:47 PM »
I took our two interns to the shooting range tonight, first time shooting a pistol for one engineer, 2nd trip for the other.  This was after 1-1/2 hours class time on firearm safety and basic operation of DA/SA and striker fired semi-auto pistols. 

I also brought an all stainless SIG P-226 9mm, as that is the pistol the second shooter preferred after the first range trip.  I had the interns fire off 5 rounds at a time, 7 yards out, 9" paper plate, standing, two hand.  10 rounds per plate, 30 rounds with each gun, total of 60 rounds per engineer, 10 rounds per plate, 6 plates each. 

I intentionally had the new shooter try the P-10C first.  First 10 shots, 2 off the plate, rest scattered on the plate.  2nd plate on, all rounds on the plate with both guns.  The last plate was 10 rounds in 4" in the middle of the plate.  Excellent, just excellent.  She said she preferred the P-10C over the heavier P-226 and her only gripe was that the magazines were harder to load than the Sig's.  She was really really happy with the P-10C.  No comments about the mag release or the slide release. 

To me, this experiment was very useful.  It confirmed what I already thought was the case, that the simpler, ambidexterous polymer P-10C would be the viewed very favorably by a first time shooter, at least if the pistol was loosened up just a bit first. 

Now this was a good range trip!  Very positive comments from the new shooter after shooting the P-10C.   The 4.5 lb striker trigger didn't bother the new shooter at all.  They didn't have any trouble racking the slide or dropping the magazines.  Loading new magazines is always hard for a new shooter, so I don't think that is too much of a negative.

Next range trip, they can try the P-07 and maybe a P-09, but I am pretty sure they will want the P-10C back.  I only got to put 10 rounds through it today myself, but I was busy.

Joe   
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: P-10C and new shooter, range report
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2017, 12:50:55 AM »
Well done, sir!  8)

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Re: P-10C and new shooter, range report
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2017, 07:52:37 AM »
Thanks, AM, someone has to take on this difficult task of teaching new engineers how to shoot a plastic JB-Weld and Sugru pistol! 

Seriously, it was easy.  They really liked the plastic gun.  They had their choice of several and I also let them shoot the GP-100 revolver with 38 special ammo.  They don't want any more of that. 

Joe
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: P-10C and new shooter, range report
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2017, 08:42:40 PM »
I took another engineer to the range today, to shoot the P-10C.  This fellow had an XD-M in 9mm that I actually thought shot very well and had a pleasant trigger, almost Kahr like with a shorter travel.  He shot the P-10C well and really liked it.  I'm thinking he may get one for himself when they are readily available.  No negative comments about the slide release or the mag release, probably because they were both lighter than his XD-M.  Also, my sight was dialed in and his wasn't. 

So another 100 perfect rounds through the little pistol.  This has been a good week.  Three informal testimonials, all very positive.  I'm happy with that. 

Joe
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: P-10C and new shooter, range report
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2017, 10:45:27 PM »
How do your students react to your grip/trigger modifications? Is your 226 modified similarly?

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Re: P-10C and new shooter, range report
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 12:01:05 AM »
Sweet!
Engineers? I was always taught civil engineers build targets for combat engineers.... :o

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Re: P-10C and new shooter, range report
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 07:04:14 AM »
How do your students react to your grip/trigger modifications? Is your 226 modified similarly?

The P-226 grip/trigger does not have any Sugru or JB-Weld modifications.  It fits me pretty well as it is a rather large gun with an ovalized grip from the factory.  It has polished internals and a sear hammer combination modified by me.  Also has adjustable LPA sights.  It is my old IDPA match gun with a very smooth double action pull and a great SA release.  And it is pretty. 

I think one reason why the interns preferred the P-10C was the weight difference.  I had warned them not to say anything about the Sugru and JB-Weld on the P-10C if they wanted to do more than dry fire.  Neither had any difficulty reaching the trigger even with the additional material, so maybe dimensionally the modifications aren't THAT severe. 

Joe
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR