SOLVED!! DA will not work after internal polish job & RRK install. Seeking help

[myczaccount]

Well now that that?s gone sideways real quick[emoji85][emoji86][emoji87]
   
   Myczaccount, only YOU and no one else can decide what mods YOU are comfortable with using. It?s all a PERSONAL opinion[emoji6]Some people like them, some don?t. For example? At this time, I don?t use the Pre/overtravel screws or even an aftermarket hammer on my carry/HD pistols. No other reason than PERSONAL preference. [emoji16]

Now getting back to the point of this thread[emoji57]
    Please keep us posted on your progress and if you get it all set up correctly. As I?ve mentioned before, CGW is just a phone call away, and they have some of the best CS I?ve seen in many, many years. It?s been a pleasure helping you, but sometimes we are just taking a wild guess whereas CGW can give a more precise answer.

Thanks! I spoke with CGW today and they?re sending me another copy of the RRK instructions. I just left Home Depot about 3 min ago with some red loctite and plan to apply it later. If I decide i really hate it, I?ll go through the trouble to remove the screws and replace the trigger with the OEM. It?s all an adventure for me; I enjoy it.

Again, thanks all for the help!!

[Underwhere]

Well now that that?s gone sideways real quick[emoji85][emoji86][emoji87]
   
   Myczaccount, only YOU and no one else can decide what mods YOU are comfortable with using. It?s all a PERSONAL opinion[emoji6]Some people like them, some don?t. For example? At this time, I don?t use the Pre/overtravel screws or even an aftermarket hammer on my carry/HD pistols. No other reason than PERSONAL preference. [emoji16]

Now getting back to the point of this thread[emoji57]
    Please keep us posted on your progress and if you get it all set up correctly. As I?ve mentioned before, CGW is just a phone call away, and they have some of the best CS I?ve seen in many, many years. It?s been a pleasure helping you, but sometimes we are just taking a wild guess whereas CGW can give a more precise answer.

Thanks! I spoke with CGW today and they?re sending me another copy of the RRK instructions. I just left Home Depot about 3 min ago with some red loctite and plan to apply it later. If I decide i really hate it, I?ll go through the trouble to remove the screws and replace the trigger with the OEM. It?s all an adventure for me; I enjoy it.

Again, thanks all for the help!!

Good luck. Once you get it working, likely all of it will suddenly make sense.

Plenty of people have made the mistake you did. I did just recently as I typically convert my guns over to SAO and in a late night gunsmithing session set one of my DA/SA guns to the SA position while putting in the RRK kit, rendering my DA inoperable.

[1SOW]

Glad you got it fixed.  Sorry I didn't think of it.
I have one of David's first SRT installs from before he became CGW.  Mine is on a 75B,  and I had the same problem once long ago.  I backed the reset screw all the way out and learned to
"ride the reset" .  I also keep the overtravel adjust a full turn or more out with blue  loc-tite and haven't had a problem.

  Now get out there and shoot it and tell us what you think.
  My  old 75b still shoots a little more accurately than my 75 Shadow with all the bells and whistles.

[cntrydawwwg]

One other thing?- Before you use any loctite, thoroughly degrease the screws and screw holes. Break cleaner works great. Also, I think maybe I?d use Blue loctite at first, since you?re not sure you?ll keep the screws, but that?s me.  YMMV

[myczaccount]

One other thing?- Before you use any loctite, thoroughly degrease the screws and screw holes. Break cleaner works great. Also, I think maybe I?d use Blue loctite at first, since you?re not sure you?ll keep the screws, but that?s me.  YMMV

I will remember to degrease. And I?ll take yours and 1SOW?s to use blue loctite since it?s my first go around. If I find that it loosens, I?ll use red.

I just want to confirm, even tho I?ve researched it, but I can use acetone to degrease, correct?

[Underwhere]

One other thing?- Before you use any loctite, thoroughly degrease the screws and screw holes. Break cleaner works great. Also, I think maybe I?d use Blue loctite at first, since you?re not sure you?ll keep the screws, but that?s me.  YMMV

I will remember to degrease. And I?ll take yours and 1SOW?s to use blue loctite since it?s my first go around. If I find that it loosens, I?ll use red.

I just want to confirm, even tho I?ve researched it, but I can use acetone to degrease, correct?

My preference is red.

My logic is that I don't want to always anticipate that the blue will work itself out... And maybe one day it will. Maybe it won't. I'll just always think about it.

I know red will not.

[cntrydawwwg]

One other thing?- Before you use any loctite, thoroughly degrease the screws and screw holes. Break cleaner works great. Also, I think maybe I?d use Blue loctite at first, since you?re not sure you?ll keep the screws, but that?s me.  YMMV

I will remember to degrease. And I?ll take yours and 1SOW?s to use blue loctite since it?s my first go around. If I find that it loosens, I?ll use red.

I just want to confirm, even tho I?ve researched it, but I can use acetone to degrease, correct?

My preference is red.

My logic is that I don't want to always anticipate that the blue will work itself out... And maybe one day it will. Maybe it won't. I'll just always think about it.

I know red will not.

It does make sense and I see where you?re coming from.

    Myczaccount, yes, acetone will work just fine. 

[myczaccount]

One other thing?- Before you use any loctite, thoroughly degrease the screws and screw holes. Break cleaner works great. Also, I think maybe I?d use Blue loctite at first, since you?re not sure you?ll keep the screws, but that?s me.  YMMV

I will remember to degrease. And I?ll take yours and 1SOW?s to use blue loctite since it?s my first go around. If I find that it loosens, I?ll use red.

I just want to confirm, even tho I?ve researched it, but I can use acetone to degrease, correct?

My preference is red.

My logic is that I don't want to always anticipate that the blue will work itself out... And maybe one day it will. Maybe it won't. I'll just always think about it.

I know red will not.

Definitely sound logic. My only reason to use blue now is because I?m inexperienced. If I find that I?m comfortable enough, I may use red at a later point.

[tdogg]

Angus as stated in the past he doesn't run overtravel screws for fear of them moving at an inopportune time.

Good advice from Angus.

Rob Leatham - one of the greatest shooters of all time - made a similar point on modifying trigger movement (in general, not specific to CZs), and how it can affect reliability:

"The stock mechanism is designed around specifications that allow it to function properly in extreme conditions. This means there is allowance in the trigger mechanism's tolerances to permit dirt and grime and water and whatever to be present, yet still function properly. These tolerances are there for a reason. Reducing trigger movement requires the removal of any excess tolerances. If done poorly or incorrectly, the result will be poor reliability or worse, an unsafe condition.
We competition shooters have always been willing to trade a certain amount of the "abuse and neglect" buffer designed into a system for a performance improvement. This does not come without cost. At the very least you will have higher maintenance and possibly reduced reliability under adverse conditions."

Well, great. Now you got me all nervous about my RRK which I haven't yet loctited. CGW claims there are thousands in use without issue...

I just wanted you to be informed.   Like I said,  I run the over travel screws in my cz's. 

Now you know that you should check the screws as part of your detail inspection regimen (usage will determine frequency).  Just put a wrench on them and make sure they aren't moving.   I also wouldn't soak the frame in solvent to clean.

Cheers,
Toby

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[myczaccount]

OK, folks! Just finished loctiting the RRK tension screws in place! Here's how it looks:



And here is a pic of the whole shebang!



Bonus Pic (I polished just the exposed part of the barrel once I was already polishing internals. I like the looks and keep it wet oiled):



And yes, in the background on my screen are comments from Underwhere and Tok lol

You'll also notice parts from my 95' Pre B (it was FILTHY) that I started to clean for an upcoming rebluing project (that'll be my next challenge!)

Once again, thank you all so very much fr your help!

[Underwhere]

Looks Awesome

[Oldwolf]

I don't own a RRK trigger but do have triggers with an overtravel screw.  In order to set the overtravel on the trigger, you want to make sure the hammer hooks clear the sear as looking from the rear of the slide. 

Start without loctite and get a feel for the process then repeat with loctite and make sure you degrease the threads prior to application.

1.  Adjust overtravel screw until hammer will just drop in single action
2.  Pull trigger to hammer drop and hold trigger to rear of frame
3.  Thumb hammer back and forth and feel and visually inspect for interference between the sear and hammer hooks
4.  If you feel or see interference adjust overtravel screw out (loosen) slightly and retest for interference.
5.  If no interference, then back out an additional 1/8th turn to provide clearance for future debris accumulation (and let loctite set)

Angus as stated in the past he doesn't run overtravel screws for fear of them moving at an inopportune time.  I do run them and haven't had an issue.

Cheers,
Toby

This is exactly the information that I was looking for. I noticed my Shadow Target Custom hammer and sear are interfere just a little. I'm glad I caught it early and can make the adjustment...

[tdogg]

There should be a sticky with this type of info in it at the top of this board section.  These questions get asked too often and solutions are hard to find.

Glad you found it useful.

Cheers,
Toby

[1SOW]

I follow the Angus lead.  My 75s over travel isn't that significant.  The reset is.
Even with LocTite done right,  the screw will eventually come loose if you shoot a lot.  It only takes one time to ruin a fun day.