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Offline Laufer

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Handguns didn't really interest me until last December (age 62). I'm a "bit behind you guys", you might say.......
After buying the PO1, I asked the seller how much ammo he had used. He said at least 10,000 rds.

Both the recoil spring and DA pull are noticeably softer/weaker than in the new PCR, and being a rifle guy, this should not be a surprise.

I'll consider changing the PO1's hammer spring also--if this is needed to consider the PO1 a truly reliable Carry Gun.

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2018, 08:16:08 AM »
With the gun having 10 K thru it, peace of mind is easy because you can get new springs from the CZ Custom store fairly inexpensively. However, if you use the pistol you'll be able to make your own determination on how reliable it is. I did this for another reason - I almost immediately swapped my stock main spring for a 14# spring to lighten and smooth the trigger pull. it's been 100% so far, even shooting a box of Tulammo and the new spring did exactly what I hoped it would. Good luck with your new-to-you P-01.
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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2018, 04:01:56 PM »
Thanks for the response to a somewhat dumb question.

With four other recently-acquired handguns, this PO1 has only used about 500 rds., but has had a perfect operation, and has mostly used Russian steel.
Because carry ammo (US brass-cased) has softer primers I've been too complacent.

**What is a dependable main/hammer spring Weight used in PO1 carry guns?

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2018, 07:17:45 PM »
Thanks for the response to a somewhat dumb question.

With four other recently-acquired handguns, this PO1 has only used about 500 rds., but has had a perfect operation, and has mostly used Russian steel.
Because carry ammo (US brass-cased) has softer primers I've been too complacent.

**What is a dependable main/hammer spring Weight used in PO1 carry guns?


I use a 15# main spring in my P-01 & SP-01 with the factory firing pins.

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2018, 09:02:32 AM »
Laufer;

At 10 000rnds, I would think that most of the springs in you P-01 are reaching the end of their service life. At a minium, I'd replace the recoil spring, trigger return spring, hammer spring. Others to think about woukd be firing pin spring, and firing pin saftey block spring.

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2018, 09:40:52 AM »
If it ain't broke don't fix it is sometimes appropriate. If you're getting reliable ignition - especially on hard primer Russian ammo - I would keep on shooting it as-is. Did you ask the seller if he had ever changed springs? It may be that he intentionally put light springs in to get a lighter action.
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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 08:26:25 PM »
A new hammer spring (17#) is now shipping. It was very difficult finding info on what is standard. Found almost nothing.

Because the DA is lighter than in the new PCR, and the Youtube videos demonstrate replacement as a simply process, looking fwd. to it.

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2018, 09:58:56 PM »
Is that really the only spring you're replacing??

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2018, 11:27:47 PM »
GBUS:
I don't know. The process of swapping any internal spring (in a frame) will be a first for me. And the hammer spring changes on Youtube look pretty easy.
Never watched my middle-aged gun buddies do any of this.

At least both the new recoil and hammer springs being shipped should strengthen the only two areas which feel weak. Will ask one of the seasoned competitors at our private club's Action Pistol ranges about any other suggestion.
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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2018, 12:29:03 AM »
GBUS:
I don't know. The process of swapping any internal spring (in a frame) will be a first for me. And the hammer spring changes on Youtube looks pretty easy.
Never watched my middle-aged gun buddies do any of this.

At least both the new recoil and hammer springs being shipped should strengthen the only two areas which feel weak. Will ask one of the seasoned competitors at our private club's Action Pistol ranges about any other suggestion.

Those are certainly the two easiest springs to change. The new recoil spring will help as well and none of the service parts are that costly, it's just that at over 10k rounds I'd have probably ordered a few of the other springs and pins, especially as your original post asked about making it carry worthy.
The priciest bit of kit is probably a slide stop and it's good to have a spare on hand anyway.
I'd have wanted more info from the seller on what maintenance may have already been performed and when as it would save you the wondering and guessing.
But in your shoes at this moment in time, after 500 rounds I'd probably carry the new PCR and get used to maintaining the platform by first servicing the used gun before any thoughts of carrying it.

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2018, 05:34:40 PM »
GBUS: As for carrying the new PCR, I haven't done it mostly because of the superb finish, and of course it's a different fit in the Crossbeed Kydex (IWB), which has " (Sig) 229R-1" written on the leather.
Will experiment with the fit/draw.

 Thanks for the reminder of these "angles", and like in the classic movies "Being on the level".

The seller (my only self-defense handgun instructor, so far) is a super guy who grew up here but lives in Israel, works for "internal security" part-time. They really like both CZs and Sigs over there.
That Says Something. Will ask about other springs-----------

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Re: Used PO1 much weaker DA pull than new 75 'PCR: reliability?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2018, 06:08:09 PM »
I'd like to think a professional firearms instructor took proper care of the gun, but yea never hurts to ask so you aren't surprised by anything.
Good luck and enjoy them.