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Offline dbarn

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Recoil Buffers and Competition
« on: October 03, 2018, 01:44:52 PM »
Really curious as to how many gamers use buffers in their CZs and what benefit do you gain?

It seems that any factory pistols that can be considered as competition pistols are now coming from CZ with buffers installed to include Shadow 2 and Shadow SP-01 Orange.

My own experience has been there seems to be less muzzle flip in the Shadow Orange with the buffer installed on a metal guide rod vs a regular Shadow Polymer Guide Rod (no buffer).

Not much difference either way when static shooting, but appears to make a difference with rapid fire, double taps, and moving or dynamic shooting. Thoughts?

Offline IDescribe

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Re: Recoil Buffers and Competition
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2018, 08:24:39 AM »
My own experience has been there seems to be less muzzle flip in the Shadow Orange with the buffer installed on a metal guide rod vs a regular Shadow Polymer Guide Rod (no buffer).

The difference there isn't just buffer vs no buffer.  It's also metal vs polymer guide rod, and simply having the extra weight of the metal guide rod out front affects how the muzzle moves.  If you want to test buffer vs no buffer, you'd have to use a metal guide rod in both cases.

I'd also suggest that how muzzle flip seems is to some degree a function of how recoil feels, so simply doing something that makes recoil feel softer can create the impression muzzle flip is less, and maybe it is, but maybe it isn't.  You'd have to take video with a camera from the side to determine how much difference, if any, there is in muzzle flip. 

THEN there's the REAL question:

Does it matter?

The only importance of any of this is whether or not it functions to decrease split times. There's this intuitive impression that softer felt recoil must equal faster splits, or that less muzzle flip equals faster splits, and we spend a ton of time online talking about felt recoil. BUT the only thing that equals faster splits IS faster splits.  ;) And the only thing you can measure that with is a shot timer. 

Whether or not the recoil buffer reduces muzzle flip is irrelevant.  Whether or not it reduces split times is what's important.

And generally speaking, if a modest decrease in recoil improves your split times, you have a weakness in grip and/or stance (most shooters can improve dramatically in this regard).  If you employ good grip and stance, modest differences in recoil should have no observable impact on split times.


Offline tdogg

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Re: Recoil Buffers and Competition
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2018, 01:27:44 AM »
My TSO is the first CZ I've owned that came with buffers.   I use them.   I think it dampens the impulse felt and makes it softer feeling.   Couldn't comment on splits or muzzle flip.  I use the thick version and they seems to last quite well in my 40 major rig.

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Re: Recoil Buffers and Competition
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2018, 02:08:20 PM »
What about reliability?  I've read that recoil buffers reduce pistol reliability by increasing failures to eject and feed.
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Offline IDescribe

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Re: Recoil Buffers and Competition
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2018, 04:14:27 PM »
What about reliability?  I've read that recoil buffers reduce pistol reliability by increasing failures to eject and feed.

I have read the same thing with aftermarket recoil buffers, which is why I've never bought one, but I haven't heard anything of the sort from CZ owners with the pistols that have them designed for them, so I'm curious to hear, as well.

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Re: Recoil Buffers and Competition
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2018, 11:22:02 PM »
I've put over 3k through my TSO and have only replaced the buffer once.  The thin buffer looked like it was going to come apart and was pretty chewed up.    When I replaced it,  I put in the thicker CZ buffer.   It seems to be holding up well.

Interesting enough,  I think the thicker buffer has reduced the ejection distance a little too.  I haven't done any experiments to prove it but it seems like it at the range.  I've been looking for a way to reduce the ejection distance and I'll call this a feature on my gun. :)

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« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 02:10:29 PM by tdogg, Reason: Add clarity. »

Offline Matt101

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Re: Recoil Buffers and Competition
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2018, 05:18:58 AM »
3k is like a months worth of practice for some.

The buffer is the first thing I take out usually. On Czechmates, TSO’s & S2’s.

I’ve only just started using a thin one in the Czechmate. I know someone who’s using one and I’ve got enough to replace regularly.


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