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New Rami BD question
« on: November 01, 2018, 09:38:11 AM »
Got my new BD yesterday and noticed the test target has the group to the far left. Additionally the front sight sits slightly off center to the right. My concern is being able to move the sights if needed. The front sight is staked in place. The rear sight has a set screw that must be loctite in place. I?ve already attempted to loosen with supplied Allen wrench and stripped either the screw or tool. How do I move the sights if needed??

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2018, 12:36:21 PM »
My suggestion is to go to your local Gunsmith. Let the experts help you.

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 12:48:52 PM »
Got my new BD yesterday and noticed the test target has the group to the far left. Additionally the front sight sits slightly off center to the right. My concern is being able to move the sights if needed. The front sight is staked in place. The rear sight has a set screw that must be loctite in place. I?ve already attempted to loosen with supplied Allen wrench and stripped either the screw or tool. How do I move the sights if needed??

The front sight on the Rami should be a standard Novak side to side front sight dovetail, not staked. It can be moved by tapping it with a plastic dowel. It helps to hit the slide with a heat gun beforehand.

Cz Custom sells a handy little rear sight adjustment tool for CZ75s that also works for the Rami.

https://czcustom.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=rear+sight+adjustment+tool&cat=
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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2018, 12:51:54 PM »
Have you shot the gun yet?  Don't put too much weight into the test target point of impact.  Clean all the grease off the gun and magazines, lube the gun, and go shoot it before you try to adjust anything.

Report back if you need to adjust the sights.

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2018, 02:19:16 PM »
Have you shot the gun yet?  Don't put too much weight into the test target point of impact.  Clean all the grease off the gun and magazines, lube the gun, and go shoot it before you try to adjust anything.

Report back if you need to adjust the sights.

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Will do. I?m curious if they may have moved the sights after they shot the test target. But seeing the front sight off to the right would make me wonder. No question the front sight is staked. You can see the small stake mark indentions on top either side of the sight post.

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2018, 02:35:39 PM »
As has been mentioned, go ahead and shoot it first. The test target is a function test, not accuracy test.
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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2018, 06:37:50 PM »
bleep, sometimes I hate to have my suspicions confirmed. On top factory target. Below my target from today. 18 rounds fired off hand 10 yards 6 o'clock hold. The fliers are me getting use to a new gun. The other 14 are clumped together.
Nice shooting smooth pistol. But disappointed in the POA/POI with the sights virtually locked into place from the factory. Took the pistol they brought from the back. Should have looked at the target I guess.



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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2018, 12:49:59 AM »
I removed the set screw from rear sight of  my Rami but have not moved the rear sight. I stripped several allen wrench and then got $4 soldering iron from harbor freight. Applied heat directly to set screw and it moved.


I decided to adjust point of impact via front sight. In very tight and would not move by putting in vise and trying to tap out. I think need real heavy vise and bench that will not move and take up force of blow. I broke down and bought maryland gun work universal sight pusher and shoe for 75 series. Applied Kroil oil over a week and it finally moved. Maryland Gun Works universal tool is great and has shoes for just about every gun available, but expensive. Worth it in my opinion if have a lot of pistols.

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2018, 02:12:17 AM »
bleep, sometimes I hate to have my suspicions confirmed. On top factory target. Below my target from today. 18 rounds fired off hand 10 yards 6 o'clock hold. The fliers are me getting use to a new gun. The other 14 are clumped together.
Nice shooting smooth pistol. But disappointed in the POA/POI with the sights virtually locked into place from the factory. Took the pistol they brought from the back. Should have looked at the target I guess.




Windage wise, both targets look consistent with the front sight off center to the right. Looks like it's grouping really well at 10 yards off-hand.

Looks like all you need to do is tap the front sight to the left to center it. Like I say, I'd heat the slide up with a heat gun to expand the dovetail and break it free from the front sight piece and use a plastic dowel to gently tap against the front sight so you don't damage the tritium vial.

As far as elevation, if you're aiming at the 6 o'clock point of the circle, it's obviously hitting a bit high. However, I'd settle on a self defense load before  changing sights. Lighter, faster +P and NATO loads will actually hit lower than heavier, slower bullets at that range.


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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2018, 08:56:30 AM »
Thanks, but everything I've researched regarding older threads about moving the front sight emphasizes about what a chore it is, even some gunsmiths having issues. It should not be this way, nor should the rear sight screw strip the supplied tool. To have a pistol that has the potential to shoot so well and sights that cannot be more easily adjusted is extremely frustrating. It would seem that the factory knowing how the pistol shoots, would make the adjustment. Perhaps they figure it's "good enough." I do however accept responsibility for not inspecting the pistol more closely but was glad to finally locate one.

At this point I'm going to send to CGW for their upgraded night sights. I know the installation will be correct and from what I can see, like the improved daytime visibility. Thanks for all the comments. 
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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 08:59:19 AM »
I removed the set screw from rear sight of  my Rami but have not moved the rear sight. I stripped several allen wrench and then got $4 soldering iron from harbor freight. Applied heat directly to set screw and it moved.


I decided to adjust point of impact via front sight. In very tight and would not move by putting in vise and trying to tap out. I think need real heavy vise and bench that will not move and take up force of blow. I broke down and bought maryland gun work universal sight pusher and shoe for 75 series. Applied Kroil oil over a week and it finally moved. Maryland Gun Works universal tool is great and has shoes for just about every gun available, but expensive. Worth it in my opinion if have a lot of pistols.

Your comments mirror other threads regarding moving the front sight. Thanks.

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 09:35:43 PM »
Got my new BD yesterday and noticed the test target has the group to the far left. Additionally the front sight sits slightly off center to the right. My concern is being able to move the sights if needed. The front sight is staked in place. The rear sight has a set screw that must be loctite in place. I?ve already attempted to loosen with supplied Allen wrench and stripped either the screw or tool. How do I move the sights if needed??

The front sight on the Rami should be a standard Novak side to side front sight dovetail, not staked. It can be moved by tapping it with a plastic dowel. It helps to hit the slide with a heat gun beforehand.

Cz Custom sells a handy little rear sight adjustment tool for CZ75s that also works for the Rami.

https://czcustom.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=rear+sight+adjustment+tool&cat=


Both of the RAMI BD pistols I have examined have staked front sights.
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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2018, 04:33:02 AM »
Got my new BD yesterday and noticed the test target has the group to the far left. Additionally the front sight sits slightly off center to the right. My concern is being able to move the sights if needed. The front sight is staked in place. The rear sight has a set screw that must be loctite in place. I?ve already attempted to loosen with supplied Allen wrench and stripped either the screw or tool. How do I move the sights if needed??

The front sight on the Rami should be a standard Novak side to side front sight dovetail, not staked. It can be moved by tapping it with a plastic dowel. It helps to hit the slide with a heat gun beforehand.

Cz Custom sells a handy little rear sight adjustment tool for CZ75s that also works for the Rami.

https://czcustom.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=rear+sight+adjustment+tool&cat=


Both of the RAMI BD pistols I have examined have staked front sights.

Huh, that must be a recent factory mod. Ramis have always had a Novak style side to side dovetail up to this point, anyway.

Can you post a picture?

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 07:58:46 AM »
Sounds like a call to CZ is in order. Have them adjust the sights to attain proper POI. My RAMI is dead on; and that's the way it should be.

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Re: New Rami BD question
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2018, 10:27:01 AM »
Got my new BD yesterday and noticed the test target has the group to the far left. Additionally the front sight sits slightly off center to the right. My concern is being able to move the sights if needed. The front sight is staked in place. The rear sight has a set screw that must be loctite in place. I?ve already attempted to loosen with supplied Allen wrench and stripped either the screw or tool. How do I move the sights if needed??

The front sight on the Rami should be a standard Novak side to side front sight dovetail, not staked. It can be moved by tapping it with a plastic dowel. It helps to hit the slide with a heat gun beforehand.

Cz Custom sells a handy little rear sight adjustment tool for CZ75s that also works for the Rami.

https://czcustom.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=rear+sight+adjustment+tool&cat=


Both of the RAMI BD pistols I have examined have staked front sights.

Huh, that must be a recent factory mod. Ramis have always had a Novak style side to side dovetail up to this point, anyway.

Can you post a picture?

They are the Novak style side to side dovetail. However they are also staked with metal pushed from the leading edges of the front sight into the metal of the slide on either side of the post. Would photo for you but it's in route to CGW.