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Offline Scarlett Pistol

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RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« on: November 14, 2018, 03:58:07 PM »
I am thinking of playing with some of the RMR in house FMJ's for 9mm.
Here's what I have found so far on our forum:
     Their in house hollow point. It's chubby and has a short OAL.
     Their 124 FMJ Truncated Cone Flat Point seems to have an OAL for CZ's around 1.120

They have great deals on their 124 gr FMJ RN seconds. I haven't been able to find anyone mentioning using those and their OAL. I want to determine if they are as chubby as their in house hollow point. I don't mind shorter OAL's but I don't want get a bullet that is too ridiculous. Anyone have any info or experience?

Their 115 FMJ RN will be a good deal if they do something for Black Friday. I've seen some pictures on here and they don't seem too chubby in the nose. Any experience or thoughts with these as well?

I wasn't going to order the 147 FMJ RN but if anyone has any info I'd love to hear it.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2018, 04:09:32 PM »
Believe that RMR is really good with "sample packs". You might call. Of all the vendors, I think they probably have the best service organization.

I see really GOOD reports on accuracy and consistency with their 124gr Truncated Cone FP Match Winner. As with all these shape bullets, you're only going to get about 0.035" of shoulder forward of the case mouth in a CZ chamber.

I don't think the 147gr TC-FP works in the CZ chamber.

It's the RMR RN and JHP that have the blunt ogive, which restricts OAL to ~1.060".

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2018, 10:20:58 PM »
I had been using the 124 Gr RMR tcfp and JHP exclusively for my shadow 2 and TSO for minor PF in uspsa competition. I load them at 4.15 - 4.23 Gr of Winchester 231 @ 1.102-1.104? OAL.

 For the RMR FMJ RN, I load the 115 Gr at 7.13- 7.32 Gr of CFE pistol @ 1.152-1.155? OAL for 166-169 PF for my czechmate for USPSA Open major. The 124 FMJ RNs are loaded with 6.42-6.53 Gr of CFE pistol for 168-171 PF.

I load the RMR 115 Gr FMJ RN @ 4.58 x 4.65 Gr of Winchester 231@ 1.132-135 for 128-132 PF for USPSA minor.

I?ve used both 115 and 124 Gr versions of the TCFP and FMJ RN. Accuracy is better on the TCFP on my guns.

I tried the JHP and TCFP but I didn?t like shape or ogive which doesn?t allow me to load long for major PF. Same thing goes for the 147 Gr. It doesn?t matter if it?s the RN or TCFP. Tried it before and didn?t work for my CZs. I ended up trading them with my friend for some 124 Rn.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2018, 11:31:39 PM »
Believe that RMR is really good with "sample packs". You might call. Of all the vendors, I think they probably have the best service organization.

I see really GOOD reports on accuracy and consistency with their 124gr Truncated Cone FP Match Winner. As with all these shape bullets, you're only going to get about 0.035" of shoulder forward of the case mouth in a CZ chamber.

I don't think the 147gr TC-FP works in the CZ chamber.

It's the RMR RN and JHP that have the blunt ogive, which restricts OAL to ~1.060".

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Thank you very much good sir!

I had been using the 124 Gr RMR tcfp and JHP exclusively for my shadow 2 and TSO for minor PF in uspsa competition. I load them at 4.15 - 4.23 Gr of Winchester 231 @ 1.102-1.104? OAL.

 For the RMR FMJ RN, I load the 115 Gr at 7.13- 7.32 Gr of CFE pistol @ 1.152-1.155? OAL for 166-169 PF for my czechmate for USPSA Open major. The 124 FMJ RNs are loaded with 6.42-6.53 Gr of CFE pistol for 168-171 PF.

I load the RMR 115 Gr FMJ RN @ 4.58 x 4.65 Gr of Winchester 231@ 1.132-135 for 128-132 PF for USPSA minor.

I?ve used both 115 and 124 Gr versions of the TCFP and FMJ RN. Accuracy is better on the TCFP on my guns.

I tried the JHP and TCFP but I didn?t like shape or ogive which doesn?t allow me to load long for major PF. Same thing goes for the 147 Gr. It doesn?t matter if it?s the RN or TCFP. Tried it before and didn?t work for my CZs. I ended up trading them with my friend for some 124 Rn.

Thank you! So the 115 FMJ rn can load that long in all your CZ?s or just the Czechmate? Have you had the chambers reamed or are they still factory?
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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2018, 11:43:50 PM »
I had been using the 124 Gr RMR tcfp and JHP exclusively for my shadow 2 and TSO for minor PF in uspsa competition. I load them at 4.15 - 4.23 Gr of Winchester 231 @ 1.102-1.104? OAL.

 For the RMR FMJ RN, I load the 115 Gr at 7.13- 7.32 Gr of CFE pistol @ 1.152-1.155? OAL for 166-169 PF for my czechmate for USPSA Open major. The 124 FMJ RNs are loaded with 6.42-6.53 Gr of CFE pistol for 168-171 PF.

I load the RMR 115 Gr FMJ RN @ 4.58 x 4.65 Gr of Winchester 231@ 1.132-135 for 128-132 PF for USPSA minor.

I?ve used both 115 and 124 Gr versions of the TCFP and FMJ RN. Accuracy is better on the TCFP on my guns.

I tried the JHP and TCFP but I didn?t like shape or ogive which doesn?t allow me to load long for major PF. Same thing goes for the 147 Gr. It doesn?t matter if it?s the RN or TCFP. Tried it before and didn?t work for my CZs. I ended up trading them with my friend for some 124 Rn.

Thank you! So the 115 FMJ rn can load that long in all your CZ?s or just the Czechmate? Have you had the chambers reamed or are they still factory?

I load both 115 and 124 FMJ Rn @ 1.152-1.155 for major PF for the czechmate but it can be loaded at the same OAL for the shadow 2 and TSO. I just decided to load the shadow 2 and TSO at a shorter OAL so I can get more PF at less powder load.

All of my CZs chambers are still factory. No need for me to have them reamed.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2018, 11:50:53 PM »
I load both 115 and 124 FMJ Rn @ 1.152-1.155 for major PF for the czechmate but it can be loaded at the same OAL for the shadow 2 and TSO. I just decided to load the shadow 2 and TSO at a shorter OAL so I can get more PF at less powder load.

All of my CZs chambers are still factory. No need for me to have them reamed.

Thank you for the chiming in, very helpful!
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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2018, 11:45:18 AM »
Just loaded some of the RMR 124 gr. Match Winners last night, haven't shot any yet, but with OAL of 1.112-1.113 all passed a plunk test in my PCR barrel.  Max length for that barrel was 1.124 or thereabouts, but obviously, I wasn't going to load that long.  Rest of the loads specs are mixed range brass, 4.2 gr. of Bullseye, and Winchester primers, a first for me, I much prefer CCI, but my LGS was out, and "local" is still a near 90 mile round trip, so I took what they had.  I don't do powder or primers online, hazmat fees more than eat up any savings.  Later.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2018, 01:33:48 PM »
Just loaded some of the RMR 124 gr. Match Winners last night, haven't shot any yet, but with OAL of 1.112-1.113 all passed a plunk test in my PCR barrel.  Max length for that barrel was 1.124 or thereabouts, but obviously, I wasn't going to load that long.  Rest of the loads specs are mixed range brass, 4.2 gr. of Bullseye, and Winchester primers, a first for me, I much prefer CCI, but my LGS was out, and "local" is still a near 90 mile round trip, so I took what they had.  I don't do powder or primers online, hazmat fees more than eat up any savings.  Later.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2018, 01:40:31 PM »
Youll like the Winchester primers more than the CCI especially if you have a reduced hammer spring.

I had been using Winchester primers exclusively and compared to the CCI, they?re better for me because they?re softer.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2018, 03:40:06 PM »
Rest of the loads specs are mixed range brass, 4.2 gr. of Bullseye, and Winchester primers, a first for me. I much prefer CCI, but my LGS was out, and "local" is still a near 90 mile round trip, so I took what they had.  I don't do powder or primers online, hazmat fees more than eat up any savings.  Later.

Dave

That isn't true for me, unless I'm only buying 1K of primers, or a single pound of powder, which I stopped doing.

My LGS charges at least $3 more per thousand, usually more. If I buy 5K primers at my LGS it's a minimum of $15 more than Graf's, plus time and the cost of fuel. What's it cost you to drive 90 miles?

I can buy those primers at Graf's, and have them shipped to my door for $17.95, hazmat and shipping included. Seems to me that it's at least a wash buying at Graf's.

Now add powder to that same order at prices that the LGS can't match, in most cases, and you'll actually save money while getting what you really want.

Do the math and see if it works for you too.
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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2018, 11:04:57 AM »
Thanks for that, I don't have Graf's on any of my gun lists, guess I better check them out and correct my oversight.  Later.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2018, 12:25:31 PM »
Right now, brownells have the Winchester primers on clearance sale and you can use the VB5 code for free shipping over $49.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2018, 01:09:32 AM »
Not the results I was hoping for, but it's probably my own fault for being lazy.  Rather than do a workup, I just picked a middle of the range powder charge and went for it, loaded up 50 and tried some in all 4 of my 9's, none of them liked it.  No feeding issues, but no accuracy, either, patterns rather than groups.  Will try again, only this time I'll do it right, and since I only have the one bullet to play with at the moment, I guess it's time to experiment with different powders, I have 3 others on hand besides Bullseye.  More later.

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2018, 08:17:17 AM »
Bullseye is too fast of a powder for the load you made.  I had done a ladder test with bullseye, win231, WST and wsf before. I like win 231 the most for accuracy and felt recoil since I use it for uspsa.

Bullseye is better at lower powder charge if you want to stick with it. Try it at 3.7- 3.9 Gr at 1.104-1.106? OAL.

By the way, what were your chrono speeds?

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Re: RMR in house FMJ OAL's?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2018, 08:20:21 AM »
Thanks for that, I don't have Graf's on any of my gun lists, guess I better check them out and correct my oversight.  Later.


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