Thinking of adding a red dot

[viking499]

Thinking about adding g a red dot to either my CZ Phantom or my UG upper.  I hear they are fun and helps people with aging eyes.

What us the difference between having one that is milled vs one mounted on the dovetail slide?  Dot will probably be a Vortex Venom since I can get one locally worth the money.

I like the idea of co-witness.  Can that be done with either mounting option?

Other ideas and input appreciated.

[s0nspark]

Generally speaking, you will only get absolute cowitness with a milled slide. With dovetail mounts (and systems that use adapter plates) the optic just sits too high.

Dots can be a boon for those with eye challenges ... Just be aware that there is a real learning curve for most folks.

Anyone who has shot with irons for some time tends to do a fair amount of unconscious adjusting as they present the gun. This generally works but allows for a sloppier presentation ;-)

This gets harder to pull off with an optic because there is less room for error before you lose the dot in the window... many find they have to clean up their presentation to consistently see the dot when they press out.

That isn't a negative, mind you. It all leads to better shooting in the end but it may take some patience and work to get there.

[bmo]

Milling is the more bomb proof way of mounting compared to say a dovetail mount or a universal pocket factory option. There are some factory options out there that are pretty good from what I've heard (Glock unity ATOM system or the new FN one) but i only have experience with milled and dovetail mounts. But if you do the research, the data supports that optics generally last longer on a milled setup compared to other mounting options, all else equal. Check out the white paper done by Sagedynamics on pistol mounted optics. Tons of actual data in there. There's also as guy on pistol forum that's broken just about every red dot on the market including RMR's and Deltapoints. His conclusion was that optics that are milled in will longer. There's a really long thread about it on there.

That said, just got my slide back from primary machine, very happy with the work and hope to shoot it this weekend

[chgofirefighter]

Milling is the more bomb proof way of mounting compared to say a dovetail mount or a universal pocket factory option. There are some factory options out there that are pretty good from what I've heard (Glock unity ATOM system or the new FN one) but i only have experience with milled and dovetail mounts. But if you do the research, the data supports that optics generally last longer on a milled setup compared to other mounting options, all else equal. Check out the white paper done by Sagedynamics on pistol mounted optics. Tons of actual data in there. There's also as guy on pistol forum that's broken just about every red dot on the market including RMR's and Deltapoints. His conclusion was that optics that are milled in will longer. There's a really long thread about it on there.

That said, just got my slide back from primary machine, very happy with the work and hope to shoot it this weekend

Primary Machine did the optic cut for the DPP and the front window cut?  How much?  In order to make weight for USPSA Carry Optic using the S2, it's necessary to do the front window cut to reduce weight.  Cajun is coming out with a lightweight guiderod too which helps by shaving a few ounces more.