N320 or Sport Pistol with 125 BlueBullets?

[Wobbly]

At the end of the day, I question whether the poster above got Blue Bullets at .354.  I have never heard of that with them or anyone else.  And I think it's more likely that there's a calibration issue with the tool he used to measure.

OR.... a mis-adjusted Lee Factory Crimp Die sizing the bullet diameter down in the after-Seating condition.

? Novice reloaders have the tendency to treat the FCD as sacred. Let me assure you it causes as many problems as it corrects, and this is most especially true with lead bullets.

This is probably the number one issue with discussing lead bullets on the internet. About half the novices are using the FCD. They don't understand it. It's the only TC die they have, so they tend to use it in every situation. And it's use is so generic within their process that when the entirely predictable issue(s) arise, they automatically accuse the bullet.

 

[andrew1220]

I've shot tens of thousands of 147 gr blue bullets in my CZ's and 1911's and they always shot very well. I've also never measured one that was smaller than .355"

They do offer their bullets in .356"
https://www.thebluebullets.com/category-s/1900.htm

[andrew1220]

At the end of the day, I question whether the poster above got Blue Bullets at .354.  I have never heard of that with them or anyone else.  And I think it's more likely that there's a calibration issue with the tool he used to measure.

OR.... a mis-adjusted Lee Factory Crimp Die sizing the bullet diameter down in the after-Seating condition.

? Novice reloaders have the tendency to treat the FCD as sacred. Let me assure you it causes as many problems as it corrects, and this is most especially true with lead bullets.

This is probably the number one issue with discussing lead bullets on the internet. About half the novices are using the FCD. They don't understand it. It's the only TC die they have, so they tend to use it in every situation. And it's use is so generic within their process that when the entirely predictable issue(s) arise, they automatically accuse the bullet.

 

Yup.
I used a FCD for a long time until I realized it wasn't necessary and not ideal when I'm using coated blue bullets. I've since bought a regular lee taper crimp die.

[newageroman]

Its possible my mic was off. Its a cheap HF unit to take that for what its worth. I'll be slugging the barrel, re-measuring and testing these rounds with N320 and sport pistol soon.

Thx.

[recoilguy]

Its possible my mic was off. Its a cheap HF unit to take that for what its worth. I'll be slugging the barrel, re-measuring and testing these rounds with N320 and sport pistol soon.

Thx.

in most things.....mics, veneers, bullets, guns, coffee, electronics, cars, you get what you pay for.
you can get adequate for cheap.... if cheap is your main gig and adequate is all you require so be it,

good equipment saves a lot of grief. My advice is always buy the best you can comfortably afford, stay away from as cheap as you can get, unless you are broke, then you should probably be buying other things with your money anyway. Just my opinion.

Just like your bullet buy. You passed on a great deal with PD, because you got a better one in the past? Took on a total unknow company and bullet to you that isn't the same weight or coating type jkust to save a couple bucks. Now you are finding out the bullets suck or your equipment is defective, or your process is incorrect. instead of having a bunch of well made PD bullets in the case ready to shoot, just like you are fimiliar with. I know it's worth it to some people but I would stick with what I know and am happy with and budget so I could do so. Again thats just me and I don't know your situation or circumstance so I am not judging I am only imparting years of wisdom. Happy Holidays to you and the best of luck with your Blue Bullet load.

RCG

[Dan_69GTX]

I got this HF unit - works well!   

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-utility-caliper-7914.html

On the true side - I have used my Mitutoyo Calipers or Mics to later find out my son "zeroed" them for me.....sigh.....

[Wobbly]

I loaded up another 500 rounds of these on the D650 last night.

I've sort of gotten lost here, so remind us again what you loaded up. Bullet, powder, OAL.

 

[newageroman]

125 gn Blue Bullets over Sport Pistol - Initial results
...Not that great - yall are most likely right again as I'm slowly succumbing to the pattern. 
Stock SP-01, 2 mags , benched and bagged and I couldn't hit a single clay on the 50 yd berm. All while getting funny looks from other Range Roys with their ARs.
Switched to some 124 Hornady XTPs over CFE pistol that were loaded a little hotter and they shot like laser beams. Busting clays left and right, no prob! Shot the last one that had flipped over -dark side up - just as the slide locked back. That will make you smile.

I'm not giving up on these blue bullets just yet - might try loading the blue bullets a little hotter to see if accuracy comes in, but I'm not counting on it.
Best part of the day was I heard a rumor that there is a new range being built ~ 1 hr away. It is supposed to have 1000 yds and electronic targets - woohoo!

[IDescribe]

I'm not giving up on these blue bullets just yet

They are lasers in my HK and GLock.  But they are undersized and mediocre in my CZ.  I wouldn't even think about shooting them in my CZ at 50.

[Wobbly]

The topic of lubrication of carbide dies was split off as a separate topic. I know, I know... the split was NOT as effective or complete as envisioned, but my moderator powers are not absolute, so you'll simply need to live with it.

If you want to discuss lubrication of dies, then go HERE.

In this thread, let's please get back to the main topic of loading and sizing lead bullets for use in CZ pistols.

Thanks.   

[Bossgobbler]

My son shoot 115gn Blue bullets in a Czechmate at 1480fps, Chrono testing last week from a bench rest 1" groups at 25 yards. 125gn blue bullets at 1370 fps 1 1/8" group. With No lead in the comp.  15,000+ blue bullets down the pipe of the Czechmate
I shoot 125 TC blue bullets in my Accu-Shadow in carry optics 1040 fps 1 1/4" groups at 25 yard. I have shot the same load in my P-10C, Shadow Line, Pro-tek II, RAMI and 85C. 35,000+ Blue bullets down the pipe of these, all with excellent accuracy and no leading.  They clean up with a few pulls of a bore snake.
We have shot over 50,000 blue bullets with our CZ's At least 10 other shooters that we see at the USPSA matches also use blue bullets in their CZ's. You will not regret trying blue bullets in your CZ.  They are also available in .356" if your barrel slugs a little large.

[Scotty_0907]

I recently switched to 125TC Blue bullets in .356 dia. Using Clean Shot, both my SP-01 and P09 grouped 2" at 25 yards from a sandbag under the dust covers and 3" at 20 yards off hand. Certainly good enough for Practical Pistol games. I had no problems getting .356" dia. They are under the special order profiles and didn't take any longer to get.

[newageroman]

Quick Update:
The 125 gn RN blue bullets over Sport Pistol did run great in the Ruger PCC. I was able to bust clays on the 50yds berm with no problem.
In the CZ's they functioned great, but the accuracy wasn't quite there (as expected from last range day). I had a 4" seal healing target at 25yds and loaded the mag of the SP-01 with alternating bullets speer GD, Blue Bullet all the way to 17 rnds. The GDs were able to hit the target off hand most of the time, but with the blue bullets I had to aim a bit high and hits were much less common.
I also tested the Blue Bullets with the KAHR CM9 and they ran fine and were accurate enough for mag change drills at 10yds.
Some folks have mentioned the smell of poly coated bullets. Shooting outdoors this visit, I did notice that the smell, but it wasn't overly powerful or unwelcomed. It wasn't the burnt electrical smell either, but more of a lighter sweet smell.

I'm calling this testing done(for my purposes) until/unless I get a chrono. I will probably use this load (Edited for reference: 125 gn RN 9mm blue bullets over 4.0 Sport Pistol, COAL :1.120") mainly for the Ruger PCC, and maybe in the CZ during some USPSA matches. I'm not fooling anyone and at this point I'm not good enough to Limited minor shooter to notice/nitpick accuracy issues during local matches.

[Wobbly]

I'm calling this testing done (for my purposes) until/unless I get a chrono. I will probably use this load mainly for the Ruger PCC, and maybe in the CZ during some USPSA matches.

I know I'm blind, but I didn't see what "this load" was equal to.