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Offline sirgilligan

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What have we learned in 10 years
« on: December 16, 2018, 01:46:14 PM »
What have we learned over the past 10 years? Take yourself back to 2008.

The firearm industry grew from $19 billion in 2008 to $31 billion in 2011.

Some events to help you remember:
July 2012 shooting at theatre showing Bat Man.
Sept 2012 Benghazi Attack
Dec 2012 shooting in Sandy Hook
Jan 2015 Charlie Hebdo Shooting France

Some things that affected this community directly:
The Great 22 LR Ammo Depression
The difficulty finding primers and powders.
The price surge on anything we thought might get banned, including magazines, certain types of firearms, suppressors, types of stocks, etc.
The difficulty in finding ammo for 9mm, .223/5.56, .308/7.62

What have you learned? What would you have done differently? What are you doing right now?

I learned that buying the common NATO calibers was cheap in good times, and very troublesome in times of concern. I was able to buy .30-06 any day I wanted over the past 10 years. Not so with my NATO calibered firearms. So, the advice to buy NATO because it will always be available is not what I experienced. Of course there is no worries for those prepared, but everyone has to start some where on some day and there is a young 21 year old right now trying to figure out what they want to purchase. What would you share with those just starting out? Which general purpose hunting rifle? Which handgun for protection? Those kinds of things. I would recommend a .30-06, a 9mm, and a .357 Magnum.

Here we are in a lull so to speak, and I find myself a little bit uninterested in things. I am tired, a bit mentally fatigued so to speak. But that is when my mind says, "Today is the day to prepare for the rainy day coming."

So, I ask yet another question. With prices and supplies being the most reasonable I have seen in years what are you doing? Maybe you are going out and shooting some of that $60.00 22 LR ammo and replacing it with new stock? Maybe you are gifting that $1800 AR to a son or daughter and getting over the apparent loss on the value and buying something you consider better for less? Maybe it is time on these long winter days to take inventory and see what you have, and make a plan to cycle through some things?

As the pendulum surely swings, it will swing back to 2012 conditions one day, what can we do to not have a panic buying spree again?

I know lots of questions, but I have a lot of questions on my mind right now. "It's time to make hay while the sun is shining"

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2018, 02:27:22 PM »
Sounds like ammo prices are going to bottom out here in January. I?ll be loading up for the long haul.

One thing I will add to your list is that no matter how bad things got in 2013, there was always 40 ammo available. Even if you hate the caliber it?s still worth having one good 40 in your collection just in case. You never know when you may need it.

Offline Blackwatch

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2018, 03:16:56 PM »
One suggestion - for every calibre you shoot determine an acceptable inventory level (might be 400, might be 3000) then build up when prices are low and store it away.

Keep a running stock for whenever you want to go shooting and then top up as needed.

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2018, 06:10:24 PM »
In my area, at one point, even .40 was hard to come by. This was my reason to start reloading. I think the smart move is to stock up on .22, primers, and powder. If nothing else, I consider it price protection. I'm about to start shooting rimfire steel matches, so my stockpile will need constant replenishment.
 AR parts prices are low right now, and there will probably be a rush next year if the house passes more gun control. The Senate can be counted on to cave and I wouldn't put it past Potus to sign if they offer him something he wants in trade. However, I don't think AR prices will ever recover to the post Sandy Hook prices though since the market was absolutely flooded. For me, ammo components come first and a Form 1 can is next since eforms are currently coming back approved within weeks.

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2018, 06:39:01 PM »
Thank you Phlyers13, Blackwatch, and Earl Keese. Excellent insights and recommendations.

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2018, 08:06:34 PM »
You chose 4 days as evil people's use of firearms.  I'll wager on those very days, and every day of the year firearms are used in self defense against evil.  In America, bearing arms is the great equalizer so that individuals regardless of sex, race, creed can defend themselves against evil.

Maybe those individual stories don't make for sexy news, but they are there nonetheless.

Meanwhile a likely majority of the next generation are only negatively exposed to firearms from media propaganda, sensationalism of evil, Holywood movie portrayals and blood sport video games.  Combined with romantic ideals of socialism propagandized by the intelligencia and an educational system that has rewritten history out of it, we are doomed to repeat it--an attempt at Utopia that only exists for the elites in power or in heaven for rest of us.

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2018, 08:42:02 PM »
My perspective is similar to Earl?s. I have been reloading for nearly 30 years, and I learned during the early / mid 90?s how fast component availability could dry up - specifically primers were really hard to come by in my area. So my priority is to monitor my stock of primers and powder, and maintain the inventory I think I need.
While I have my favorite powders, I also keep a supply of powders that are good performers in all of the calibers I reload for. For example, my pet loads for 6.5 Grendel use XBR 8208, but I also have several pounds of Tac on hand as it works well in the Grendel, and my .308. Silhouette is my go to for 9mm, and works fine in what little .38 Spl or .45 I shoot. Also, if don?t be afraid pick up a common / popular powder (like 231) if you find a screaming deal - even if you don?t use it - for future trade use.
Same goes for 22 LR ammo. And quality mags, especially if they are high capacity (> 10 rds)
I think the previous point of having a secondary ?fallback? caliber like .40 or 30.06 has a lot of merit. Luckily, I am still flush from a previous ?golden era? when I was heavily into FALs, and NATO 7.62 x 51 was $150 for a case of 1k, delivered. Oh, those were the days.....
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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2018, 09:22:00 PM »
I am buying as many components and cheap ammo as I can afford to.  This could all go back to Sandy Hook type pricing in a weeks time with zero warning.  I don't want to try stocking up when it costs twice as much and is mostly not available either.

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2018, 09:38:22 PM »
Since the big run on components:

1) I stopped shooting 22 lr almost entirely as I couldn't find it locally and couldn't bring myself to pay the prices.
2) I started reloading (9mm initially) and prices for reloading components sucked! I couldn't find almost anything and I bought 8lbs of 700X for $200. Throw up face!!! Reloading was still cheaper and it is much cheaper now. Like others before I stock on powder and primers. I've been getting S&B primers at Cabelas on sale for $20 per 1,000. Hope I can find a deal that good come around the spring time to keep stocking up. I thought 20,000 was pretty good but then I realized some members here make that seem like nothing.
3) Stocking up on magazines as I can. Need to put a little more effort there.
4) I should probably get a few lowers to keep on stock if I want to build any AR's in the future.

I think reloading components are the big thing... Keeps me able to shoot at an affordable cost.
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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 09:44:37 AM »
I will have the last of my reloading components here over Xmas break.  Finding some great sales and have saved a lot of money.  Almost feels silly stocking up but when the political climate changes it will be worth it.
My advice for a 21 year old.  Take $500 and open a Roth IRA.  Add $50 a month and don't stop.
As for firearms:  buy 9mm and 556.  Load up on 22 for fun. 
I buy ammo almost 3-4 times a month but I also shoot every week.  I had stocked up on 124gr and had lots of choices.  Now my lgs doesn't have any in.  Only a giant shelf and tables of 115 which I don't shoot.
Start building up your reloading setup but only after a few years.  Some people get into guns heavy and then don't shoot at all after a while.  No reason to dump that much into something you won't use.  Or go into a setup with a family member or trusted friend. 
Having 3-4 mags for each pistol or rifle is a good plan.
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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2018, 04:45:28 PM »
Kudos to sirgilligan for asking the question. its so easy to say " there is tons out there" " lots of supplies and no demand " but when you get down to it, firearms and ammunition are just like home insurance, its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. so stock up for that rainy day. thanks again sirgilligan, I think I will buy some more ammo today  :)

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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2018, 06:00:15 PM »
Luckily i finished stocking 2k factory rounds of every caliber that i have a firearm chambered in right before California passed a law that requires all ammo shipments to go through an FFL and be recorded by the state. You need to pay the FFL a fee for receiving said ammo as well.

I reload so for the most part the factory loads are just for back up or moments of pure laziness. I am still in the process of stocking up and diversifying my reloading supplies. No rules on shipping reloading stuff....yet. 

I guess i could use more mags but i find it hard to want to stock up on CA 10 rounders.
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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2018, 09:16:03 PM »
I guess i could use more mags but i find it hard to want to stock up on CA 10 rounders.
    Ah, but you could move to a more free state, (I know, easier said than done)
    We?re right about 1 mil. in MT., so we could admit a couple more. Not too many tho, we don?t wanna become one of those large fast paced city states.
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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2018, 09:52:39 PM »
I guess i could use more mags but i find it hard to want to stock up on CA 10 rounders.
    Ah, but you could move to a more free state, (I know, easier said than done)
    We?re right about 1 mil. in MT., so we could admit a couple more. Not too many tho, we don?t wanna become one of those large fast paced city states.

I hear ya, it may be in the cards at some point. When and if i do, i am coming straight to your place. I'll pitch a tent in your back yard and start a CZ gunsmithing business. I'll call it Countrytokes CZ Salon and Boutique. Opened 24/7, just knock on the tent. ;D
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Re: What have we learned in 10 years
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2018, 12:23:41 AM »
ROFL
    I?d almost pay to see you live in a tent during a MT. winter. In fact, I could sell tickets.
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