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Offline cntrydawwwg

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2019, 08:38:11 AM »
The heavier spring will change your light trigger a bit. It?s just the nature of the beast. Rimfire cartridges just take a heavier spring.
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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2019, 10:10:15 AM »
The heavier spring will change your light trigger a bit. It?s just the nature of the beast. Rimfire cartridges just take a heavier spring.
So why does it fire every time when manually cocking it? It seems it goes the same distance with the same force. Or maybe I'm wrong

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2019, 11:59:06 AM »
I?m guessing when you manually cocked it was after it didn?t fire?
  If so, that?s the second strike. The first strike made a small dent, the second time hits in the exact same spot, allowing the primer to ignite.
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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2019, 12:25:46 PM »
I?m guessing when you manually cocked it was after it didn?t fire?
  If so, that?s the second strike. The first strike made a small dent, the second time hits in the exact same spot, allowing the primer to ignite.
Makes sense,  seems like an extended firing pin might fix it as well.  Hmmmm

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2019, 06:16:30 PM »
I had an extended firing pin in my Kadet...until a weak round caused a FTF...and my chamber ended up getting peened.

Use the heavier spring. They're easy to change if you don't like it for center fire.
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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2019, 06:33:14 PM »
I had an extended firing pin in my Kadet...until a weak round caused a FTF...and my chamber ended up getting peened.

Use the heavier spring. They're easy to change if you don't like it for center fire.
Ok I will try it before I give up on the kadet kit.  Thanks!

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2019, 07:31:10 PM »
Use a 17# hammer spring. 
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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2019, 08:00:50 PM »
Use a 17# hammer spring. 
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Do I need to bother with the 3 pack of springs or just order the 17?

I'm going to call cgw to see what they think since all the internals are theirs.  Dont want to prematurely cause extra stress on things with a more powerful spring.

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2019, 05:46:18 AM »
Get three so you have some spares if you loose one.  No need to talk to CGW.   The factory spring is 18 lb or so.  The CGW spring is probably a 13 lb spring.
I've got over 50k rounds experience with a single Kadet conversion on a 75B frame with CGW internals.  With a 17# spring. 

Get a metal pick to clean the breech face and extractor and firing pin hole every 100 rounds or so or you will start getting some light hits.  Brush the chamber and bore every few hundred rounds.  If the chamber gets too dirty, the casings will drag on extraction and slow the bolt down too much to catch the next round.  Use light oil on the rails, not grease.   

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2019, 09:33:32 AM »
Get three so you have some spares if you loose one.  No need to talk to CGW.   The factory spring is 18 lb or so.  The CGW spring is probably a 13 lb spring.
I've got over 50k rounds experience with a single Kadet conversion on a 75B frame with CGW internals.  With a 17# spring. 

Get a metal pick to clean the breech face and extractor and firing pin hole every 100 rounds or so or you will start getting some light hits.  Brush the chamber and bore every few hundred rounds.  If the chamber gets too dirty, the casings will drag on extraction and slow the bolt down too much to catch the next round.  Use light oil on the rails, not grease.   

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Excellent advice, I see one of my problems I use light grease for the rails. Thank you!

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2019, 07:40:21 PM »
  I?ve gone to using Mobile 1 as my principle gun oil. It?s made to offer excellent lubricious at a variety of temperature extremes and resist breaking down under the extreme conditions of an engine. Why shouldn?t it be equally at home in a firearm?  Plus there?s plenty left in the container after it?s been emptied. Win win.
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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2019, 07:45:54 PM »
  I?ve gone to using Mobile 1 as my principle gun oil. It?s made to offer excellent lubricious at a variety of temperature extremes and resist breaking down under the extreme conditions of an engine. Why shouldn?t it be equally at home in a firearm?  Plus there?s plenty left in the container after it?s been emptied. Win win.
Well I wanted to get away from oil because of all the mess. It gets all over everything in my safe and bags lol.   Had good luck with grease, I will try it with a 17 spring and see if it works well enough.  If not then back to oil for it

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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2019, 08:03:19 PM »
I generally use a light grease for anything with an aluminum frame, such as the Mcarbo mil-spec, but still a drop of Mobil 1 on the slide rail grooves. Keeps it from dripping all over and still seems to have evidence of lube retained after use.  I consider myself to be a bit generous when oiling steel parts but generally no more than 3 drops in the rail groove. I think the hammer spring and Joe?s suggestion to pay extra attention to the firing pin hole will take care of you.  22 has a way of gunking things up quickly. Get it running nice and then see what it takes to slow it down.


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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2019, 01:49:54 AM »
Sure would like to see a pic of that new "all steel" KADET 2 on your SP-01 now that you've got it up and running
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Re: Having the hardest time fitting the kadet kit
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2019, 09:25:32 AM »
Sure would like to see a pic of that new "all steel" KADET 2 on your SP-01 now that you've got it up and running
I bought another kadet 1 kit that I was running in my unmodified sp01 and it ran perfectly.  Bought it used for super cheap so I figured might as well since extra mags are so expensive. 

Since I know the sp01 works great with the other one I will take the kadet 2 kit to the range on Monday to make sure it also works before changing the spring on my CGW sp01.

I will post up some pics when I take it apart for cleaning.

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