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Offline NeedCZ

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Refinishing for dummies?
« on: January 27, 2019, 10:34:30 AM »
So I'm kinda tempted to buy a beat up surplus 75 and get it refinished.  But I know nothing about any of the processes, costs or what I should expect on the back end. 

This is purely for my own enjoyment, I have no illusions about ever breaking even if I were to try selling it.  I'm also no gunsmith, I'd be sending it out for all work.

Is there someplace a guy like me can go to learn about what options are out there and where to start?

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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2019, 12:04:34 PM »
Do yourself a favor and look into having it hard-chromed as an option.  Personally I'm not into plastic coatings of steel firearms.  ymmv
4 of 5 of my 1911's were sent out years ago for this finishing, #5 will be as well.

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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2019, 12:58:38 PM »
Do yourself a favor and look into having it hard-chromed as an option.  Personally I'm not into plastic coatings of steel firearms.  ymmv
4 of 5 of my 1911's were sent out years ago for this finishing, #5 will be as well.

How well does hard chrome hold up to holster wear

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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2019, 08:49:11 PM »
It really isn't that hard to Cold Blue a Firearm
It is quite rewarding in fact
First, you learn to Detail Strip your Pistol
Strip the old Finish, clean the Steel and apply the Cool Blue

Here is a great Kit for the "DIYer":
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/metal-prep-coloring/metal-bluing/liquid-cold-bluing-chemicals/cold-blue-refinishing-kit-prod44664.aspx

I have used Brownell's Oxpho Blue for years
You can use it to achieve most any "Blue" YOU envision
From Bright / Light Blue to the Deepest "Ruger" Black Blue
And a form of Faux Case Hardened and a Faux Phos / Parkerized
So tell me again how Trump will be worse then the last 8 years !

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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2019, 09:01:46 PM »
Although I do not own a hard chromed firearm from what I have read this is the most durable of finishes. I have Parkerized guns that hold up well to holster wear. Actually the shake and bake finish on my PCR's have been holding up very well to holster wear.

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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2019, 11:31:58 PM »
Here is a pic of my surplus 75 I had hard chromed.  It’s just a range toy for me, and it’s quite durable but it will scratch


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Offline bang bang

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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2019, 02:07:57 AM »
So I'm kinda tempted to buy a beat up surplus 75 and get it refinished.  But I know nothing about any of the processes, costs or what I should expect on the back end. 

Remember google is your friend.

you can google for the many and various finishes and look at the process.  Google for it. Ask it a question.

you can look for comparisons or reviews of the various finishes too.

as far as the cost, once you figure out on 1 or 2, you can go online again and look for the shops that do that and they may have a general price list.  But the prices may just be an "estimate".

worse case you email/call/mail or walk up to the shop and ask for an "estimate".  they will probably have questions for you so just be prepared to answer some.

Once you get an idea on what you want to do then you can dive in and get more details if you want.  Chances are the shop will want to chat with you anyway and so it will give you an opportunity on any details you may have questions about.

one thing too, they will want to know what, as in parts, you want finished.

This is purely for my own enjoyment, I have no illusions about ever breaking even if I were to try selling it.  I'm also no gunsmith, I'd be sending it out for all work.

I would hope that its for you.  But you could always do all of it and give the gun to someone like me or anyone on here too.  Just saying....

Is there someplace a guy like me can go to learn about what options are out there and where to start?


Again, google is your friend.

there are already people posting on their favorite finish.  you can start there.

FWIW, if you have any guns shows in your area, you can also check there.  You may find some gunsmiths or shops advertising the various finishes currently HOT or on the market or what they offer.  And then you ask some questions about their finish and so forth.  you can also pickup a business card and use it as a reference and jot down their estimate to do a CZ 75 for you.  that way you can keep things in order.  Whats nice about finding vendors at a show is that you can look at their work (quality wise) and see what its all about.  You can do the touchy feely thingy and see how it feels in your hands and also the "looks" part if you go "WOW, i have to have that finish". 

and again, FWIW, i did what you want to do.  I bought 3 used CZ and had them all finished the same since i was going to give 1 to my bro and maybe give another 1 away and to keep 1 for myself. 

To me, i just did it to see how the fit/finish is and how well it wears.  But i dont get out much to shoot them, so its slow going.




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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2019, 06:43:08 AM »
Do yourself a favor and look into having it hard-chromed as an option.  Personally I'm not into plastic coatings of steel firearms.  ymmv
4 of 5 of my 1911's were sent out years ago for this finishing, #5 will be as well.

How well does hard chrome hold up to holster wear

Don't notice any blemishes caused by holstering.
I picked hard-chrome because it is durable, won't crack or peel, corrosion resistant, seems to add lubricity (sp) and .......... it's hard.   All wins in my book obviously. Mine are all done in a matte matte finish, after two+ decades later they still look great.   Yep, I'm a fan of hard-chrome.

To put it another way, if industrial hard-chrome is good enough for the inside of my .223 barrels, it is good enough for the outside of my pistols. 


Any gun can be scratched, though I imagine it would be more visible on one that was polished or plastic.




   
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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2019, 08:29:52 AM »
I have a 8 or 9 y.o. LCP with a hard chrome slide. The edges at the muzzle are a little shiny were the leather holster polished the hard chrome from its satin finish. Very tough finish.
I've had slides and some parts nickel plated. Like the yellowish tint and a pretty durable surface, but not the "bomb proof" finish hard chrome is.
I had an original Beretta 92 cerakoted correctly (parkerized first, baked on) by a shop that came out very nice and was surprisingly durable. They told me it takes a month to fully cure, so I waited before reassembling the gun.
There's lots of refinishing methods out there. For me it's what do you want to spend.

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Re: Refinishing for dummies?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2019, 10:37:02 PM »
It really isn't that hard to Cold Blue a Firearm
It is quite rewarding in fact
First, you learn to Detail Strip your Pistol
Strip the old Finish, clean the Steel and apply the Cool Blue

Here is a great Kit for the "DIYer":
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/metal-prep-coloring/metal-bluing/liquid-cold-bluing-chemicals/cold-blue-refinishing-kit-prod44664.aspx

I have used Brownell's Oxpho Blue for years
You can use it to achieve most any "Blue" YOU envision
From Bright / Light Blue to the Deepest "Ruger" Black Blue
And a form of Faux Case Hardened and a Faux Phos / Parkerized

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The hard part is the detail stripping and cleaning.

Brownell's Oxpho is very capable of delivering a facsimile of case-hardened. Since it is applied cold, it won't have the dramatic highlights of a "true" color case-hardened finish.  Still, I would always go that route or a very "deep" blue.  I've refinished two Model 10s this way, and both owners were happy with the results.

There are a lot of YouTube videos that show how to "fake" color case-hardening with cold bluing.  I wouldn't try these methods, because the resulting finish will require constant maintenance.  As the name implies, true color case-hardening requires considerable heat. 

Depending on where you live, there may be people capable of doing a traditional "hot bluing" finish for a minimal cost. 

If you want a hard chrome finish, I would definitely recommend it.  However, you have a LOT of options.
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