How to Carry!!

[adrian]

  Hiya handb57,ok to ask where abroad you are writing from?  Interesting question you asked,and I'm sure the replies will be as well. Many gun owners date or even are married to non gunowners that could shape behavior.  Be well.

[hansb57]

I'm from The Netherlands.  We only  get a gun licence for target shooting or  hunting, all under very strict rules.
So no concealed carry or home protection. Guns must be in a vault And the ammo in a separate vault.

[GRU7_Mike]

I carry my P-07 uncocked in DA mode...Now my Springfield XDe I carry in the half cocked position because in DA it has a long trigger position and a strange position for the curved type of trigger design.

[Ron M.]

I hope you guys dont mind me asking a question as a non carrier from abroad.
When you come home, do you unload your carry guns or put them away holstered and ready to take out the next day??
Can I compare carrying a gun with carrying your drivers license?  You have it in your wallet when you go out and only take it out when needed?  (I mean at the range or to clean or function check it)

Thanks!

I live in South East Texas, for most of the year it's warm enough that I will be sweating during outdoor activity. When I get home, I normally unload and wipe down my carry gun. If I'm going back out I reload and place next to the holster I plan to wear. I usually switch between a Crossbreed Freedom carry and a SoCo Kydex LTx. My most often carried gun is Ruger LCR in 38 Special. If my grand kids or younger niece and nephew are visiting the gun goes in the safe or back on my person.

[adrian]

     Hiya again Handsb57, well which cz guns are approved for ownership there? And have you ever watched the process when cops come to inspect if guns and ammo are separate? And since I hope ya know the criminals have access to guns as well,so what story line does the paper report when there is a armed home invasion?  Do people lean towards trained attack dogs, take ninja knife defense courses,booby trap the house when retiring? Help some of us americans understand what its like being a gun owner who isn't allowed to defend his family or self. And be objective,since the NSA has been reading the worlds communications for prolly 20 years now, don't want them ta drop a dime with the locals on you. Thanks for any light you can shine on the topic.Be well.

[ZanderMan]

I hope you guys dont mind me asking a question as a non carrier from abroad.
When you come home, do you unload your carry guns or put them away holstered and ready to take out the next day??
Can I compare carrying a gun with carrying your drivers license?  You have it in your wallet when you go out and only take it out when needed?  (I mean at the range or to clean or function check it)

Thanks!

Pistols/rifles/shotguns used for home defense inside the home or carry pistols that are taken out of the home remain loaded with full mags and one in the chamber at all times. No children in the house so do not always lock up but I do have safes upstairs and down.

I have a small safe in the vehicle if I need to secure my carry pistol before going into government buildings.

It?s really not a good idea to unload semi-auto pistols and mags every night and reload every morning. Multiple chambering of a round causes bullet set-back and increased pressures. Cycling the springs in a mag daily will accelerate wear.

Other range guns and mags are unloaded.

[hansb57]

Hi Adian,

Although they happen, armed home invasions are very rare.
We can buy all (most) CZ products, long guns must have a minimum length. No full auto. No magazine restrictions.
BUT: before you can own one  you have to be member of a shooting club, shoot at least 18 times a year, proof you are qualified to handle a gun safely.
After 1 1/2 year you can buy 1 (one) 22lr  revolver, pistol or  single shot rifle. (after another year you can own upto a 9 mm pistol, after 3 years semi auto rifle)
Before buying one you go through an extensive background check buy the police. No convictions, house mates (wife or family) no convictions.
After you cleared that you get a visit from the police to check you have the proper separate guns and ammo safe.
Then you get your license and can pick up your gun. After picking it up you go to the poiice again to show the gun and they make sure the gun on your license is the gun you own.
After about 1 year you CAN get a random check by police to check if everything is stored properly.
I had this once until now and there is nothing scary about it. They show up unannounced and in uniform. I asked for there ID and they said "very good you are asking for it"  They checked my guns and that I had no more the 10.000 round in my safe (that's another restriction, 10.000 is the max, all calibers combined)
Reloading is allowed. You get an extra permit for it but that is just a formality.
Maximum allowed number of guns is 5 (but you can have multiple barrels in multiple calibers as long as you can never put together more than 5 guns at a time)
It looks strict but you should remember that I own guns for the shooting sport and not for self defense.
To me a gun is like  tennis racket. It is a tool that allows me to enjoy the sport I love.
Try to see it like this; If you own and fly a warbird it is not to shoot down planes (although the aircraft was originally was designed to do so) it is because you love flying.

[adrian]

     Hiya and comprehensive reply,but not off the hook yet. So begs the question, you are home you hear glass breaking from a window,or the door being kicked in, what are your first several responses and actions to keep you and family safe?? It would be illegal to retrieve a gun and ammo right? Is OC spray,Mace legal there? Tasers?  And say you wanted to shoot .22, seeing that a 75 SA was my favorite frame to run the Kadet kit on. Does it count as a separate gun to have on the max of 5?  Now if the police have to abide by the same rules as the citizens,god forbid, do they separate and lock up ammo and guns every night as well? I just find the cultural differences interesting, while acknowledging your gun laws seem to reflect on a lower murder rate,if stats are reported anywhere near actual. Thx and be well.

[jmck]

Hi Adian,

Although they happen, armed home invasions are very rare.
We can buy all (most) CZ products, long guns must have a minimum length. No full auto. No magazine restrictions.
BUT: before you can own one  you have to be member of a shooting club, shoot at least 18 times a year, proof you are qualified to handle a gun safely.
After 1 1/2 year you can buy 1 (one) 22lr  revolver, pistol or  single shot rifle. (after another year you can own upto a 9 mm pistol, after 3 years semi auto rifle)
Before buying one you go through an extensive background check buy the police. No convictions, house mates (wife or family) no convictions.
After you cleared that you get a visit from the police to check you have the proper separate guns and ammo safe.
Then you get your license and can pick up your gun. After picking it up you go to the poiice again to show the gun and they make sure the gun on your license is the gun you own.
After about 1 year you CAN get a random check by police to check if everything is stored properly.
I had this once until now and there is nothing scary about it. They show up unannounced and in uniform. I asked for there ID and they said "very good you are asking for it"  They checked my guns and that I had no more the 10.000 round in my safe (that's another restriction, 10.000 is the max, all calibers combined)
Reloading is allowed. You get an extra permit for it but that is just a formality.
Maximum allowed number of guns is 5 (but you can have multiple barrels in multiple calibers as long as you can never put together more than 5 guns at a time)
It looks strict but you should remember that I own guns for the shooting sport and not for self defense.
To me a gun is like  tennis racket. It is a tool that allows me to enjoy the sport I love.
Try to see it like this; If you own and fly a warbird it is not to shoot down planes (although the aircraft was originally was designed to do so) it is because you love flying.

Your laws are even more strict than here in Australia .  I dont know how you defend your home but here if you hurt / harm  home invaders you will be charged by the police, yes thats right it is basically illegal to defend you home.

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[hansb57]

You can have a 75 and a Kadet kit, that counts as 1 pistol.
No spray or tasers (they are illegal
Although we have robberies, street crime, burgaliers and murders, the Netherlands is a pretty safe place to live with a (relatively) low crime rate.
We dont have the "right" to own guns. Under strict rules you can get permission to own them. If you dont follow those rules you lose that permission.
1 life round that you forgot to safely store could be enough reason to revoke your permission.

It's not illegal to defend your home. But if an unarmed burglar enters your home and I hit him on the head with a baseball bat, it me who is having the problem.

[adrian]

    Hiya, can't understand your law of being illegal to defend your home. Do the citizens of your country have no input in effecting the laws? and same for hands57,its not a proper law. Maybe as ironic as the post How to carry? When you basic answer is its against the law to carry here, unless to and from a hunting trip or shooting club. If you are aware of the 2015 mall shootings in your country, how did a man with significant mental illness pass the background check? And if family members wish to enjoy the sport with you are they permitted as guests,with your supervision? And here an annual cost of range membership is apx 150USD, whats your annual fees? Thanks and Be well.

[hansb57]

Adrian,

My initial question was to understand the difference between a decocker and safety model.
Not from a technical standpoint but from the daily user view.
I wanted to know If you unload your gun when at home or put it holstered in a safe place to take with you the next day.
I would think that if you load your gun daily and handle it in house you might choose a decocker for safety reasons.
So before answering your question I have to apologize to the topic starter for hijacking his topic.

At my gun club I pay euros 180 per year.  (approve 200 USD)
You renew your permit every year in person at a special branch of the police department.
As it is a club it is run by volunteers
As a member you are expected to do some chores. Some do maintenance of the building, shooting lanes or guns.
Others are behind a desk to hand out club guns and sell ammo to member who don't own guns themselves.
I pay USD 10.50 for a box of 50 9 MM  CCI SV is around USD 4,50 a box.  (if I buy it in bulk)
I go to the range about 50 times a year and shoot 50 round a per session.

I can bring family or friends to shoot  under my supervision.
The mall shooting was a mistake by the authorities. That guy should have never been allowed to own guns.
He had a medical history and was  earlier denied a permit because an issue with an air gun (they are legal, but only if you use them on your own property and don't carry them around) This case against him was dropped
After this incident the rules for gun ownership were stricter again.

I don't want go into your home defense question because that might touch political, cultural or historical differences and I feel that is not appropriate on this forum.
 

[Matt101]

Hi Adian,

Although they happen, armed home invasions are very rare.
We can buy all (most) CZ products, long guns must have a minimum length. No full auto. No magazine restrictions.
BUT: before you can own one  you have to be member of a shooting club, shoot at least 18 times a year, proof you are qualified to handle a gun safely.
After 1 1/2 year you can buy 1 (one) 22lr  revolver, pistol or  single shot rifle. (after another year you can own upto a 9 mm pistol, after 3 years semi auto rifle)
Before buying one you go through an extensive background check buy the police. No convictions, house mates (wife or family) no convictions.
After you cleared that you get a visit from the police to check you have the proper separate guns and ammo safe.
Then you get your license and can pick up your gun. After picking it up you go to the poiice again to show the gun and they make sure the gun on your license is the gun you own.
After about 1 year you CAN get a random check by police to check if everything is stored properly.
I had this once until now and there is nothing scary about it. They show up unannounced and in uniform. I asked for there ID and they said "very good you are asking for it"  They checked my guns and that I had no more the 10.000 round in my safe (that's another restriction, 10.000 is the max, all calibers combined)
Reloading is allowed. You get an extra permit for it but that is just a formality.
Maximum allowed number of guns is 5 (but you can have multiple barrels in multiple calibers as long as you can never put together more than 5 guns at a time)
It looks strict but you should remember that I own guns for the shooting sport and not for self defense.
To me a gun is like  tennis racket. It is a tool that allows me to enjoy the sport I love.
Try to see it like this; If you own and fly a warbird it is not to shoot down planes (although the aircraft was originally was designed to do so) it is because you love flying.

Your laws are even more strict than here in Australia .  I dont know how you defend your home but here if you hurt / harm  home invaders you will be charged by the police, yes thats right it is basically illegal to defend you home.

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That?s not entirely correct. If the police believe that the force you used was ?reasonable? and ?necessary? then they may not charge you.

Given our storage laws though it would look a bit suss if you had time to shoot an intruder though.


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