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Offline canthelpit

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Best Lube For Magazines
« on: February 03, 2019, 05:11:11 PM »
Need to clean and lube my Kadet magazines and wondered what you guys use.

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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2019, 07:44:27 PM »
I strip and soak the parts in this stuff:
https://www.prolixlubricant.com/
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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2019, 07:49:09 PM »
I run my mags dry.

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Re: Best Lube For Magazines (After Magazine Feed Problems)
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2019, 08:40:31 PM »
The reason I ask is that I had magazine feeding problems at a steels match this morning.  Until today, my Kadet has run perfectly.   Before the match, I had taken apart
all 5 magazines, cleaned them carefully and lubed them lightly with Rem Oil. 

When I got back this afternoon, I took them apart again.  There was minimal crud from the match, and they looked very clean.  Noticed that there was some casting
flash on the followers, so I removed that and polished the back side of the follower lightly where it rubs against the inside of the magazine.  Checked spring orientation
against a CZ parts diagram: looked good.  I've cleaned the housings in a solvent tank with a brush, and followed up with patches dipped in alcohol to remove all traces
of solvent.  Springs and plastic parts have been cleaned.  So, I'm ready to reassemble.

I've seen dry lubes suggested in preference to oil.  In general, is this considered a better idea?  It looks like the prolix is a dry lube.  Anybody else run 'em dry?
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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2019, 09:39:44 PM »
degrease the mags, then polish the insides with meguire's auto polish
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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2019, 12:11:26 AM »
Meguiars user also. Before that boiled annually and run dry. NO OIL OR GREASE OF ANY KIND
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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 12:20:55 AM »
Another vote for clean and use auto polish. Check followers and clean up as needed.
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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2019, 01:07:59 PM »
To follow up on this, I made call to CZ USA about the magazines.  They had no recommendation on whether to lube or not lube the magazines.  They did offer
to warranty all 5 magazines, but I told them I'd hold off on that.  CZ Custom and Cajun both told me to run the magazines dry and the guy at Cajun also suggested
changing ammo.  I ran to Sportsman's and bought a couple of boxes of Aquila Super Extra, and at the range yesterday, the gun ran perfectly.

At the range I shoot at, there's a gunsmith who I also talked with yesterday.  He seemed to think that the problem was ammo and said that .22 ammo can be
pretty variable quality wise from batch to batch.  So, I think I'll just keep testing and see if I can duplicate the problem again, and I've numbered my magazines, so if it's
magazine specific I can figure that out. 


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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 04:18:48 PM »
I've run the magazines dry or with a little dry lube spray.  If you use any oil, the grunge from the .22 blast just makes them sticky. 

Make sure you clean the breech face and under the extractor with a pick every few hundred rounds, along with the firing pin hole.  The hole will fill with powder residue and result in misfires. 

Also use a brush on the chamber and keep it clean.  The chamber is pretty tight from the factory, so a little buildup there will slow the extraction down and cause the slide to not make it back far enough to catch the next round.  I put a drop of oil on the cases of the first round or two after cleaning the gun to give it a little lubricity. 

Don't use grease on the slide rails, only a light oil, especially in the cooler months.  Even a light grease on a 30F day will cause problems.  Not so much in the summer when it is 100F and the oil disappears and grease will stay.  I've gone to oil year round, however.  I just add some when I get to the range. 

Norma Tac 22 runs well in the Kadet.

Joe
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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2019, 06:20:14 PM »
Thanks for the advice.  When I assembled the magazines the last time, I sprayed a little dry lube on the springs but assembled everything
else dry. 

I'm regular about cleaning the gun itself, and already discovered the crud build up near the extractor, breech face and firing pin hole.  I have
about 1000 rounds through the Kadet now, and so far haven't had any misfire or extraction issues.  I use Rem Oil on the slide.

I'll look around and see if I can find some Norma ammo and add it to the stuff I want to test. 

I also was pondering what difference between types of ammo would cause a problem like this, and the only explanation I could come up with was
cartridge length.  The SAMI spec for .22LR is 1.00 plus 0/minus .050", so I decided to do some measuring.  All the CCI's I checked came in at about
.025" under, more or less.  But, after loading a magazine, it looks as though there isn't much room between the wall of the magazine
and the nose of the bullets, so maybe I got somewhat longer rounds that were rubbing.  Next time my magazines come apart I'm measuring them
as well. 

Jeez, this is turning into an engineering exercise.  All I want to do is shoot the thing...

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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2019, 07:51:28 PM »
Hang in there.  It's worth it.  Mine ran pretty darn well for a little over 40k rounds.  I replaced the barrel in January when the chamber was too rough to allow reliable extraction.  With the new barrel, and the ammo and lube and cleaning shedule developed over the last 6 years or so, it is 100% reliable again.

It is my bullseye match pistol, and yes, I've won a lot of matches with it.  Local matches, small local matches, ok, no one here practices as much as I do...

Joe
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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2019, 08:26:57 PM »
I know I'll get this figured out at some point, and it's so much fun shooting steels with it I almost never
shoot it as a 9mm any more.  At some point, I'd like to buy an SP-01 for that duty...


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Re: Best Lube For Magazines (After Magazine Feed Problems)
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2020, 02:18:55 PM »
The reason I ask is that I had magazine feeding problems

I've seen dry lubes suggested in preference to oil.  In general, is this considered a better idea?  It looks like the prolix is a dry lube.  Anybody else run 'em dry?
How is the situation at this juncture ?
My late answer but current research..

May be your slide is not going back far enough to strip the next round from the mag ?
Because of the ammo choosen or for other reasons. Friction could be one.


To reduce friction plus easy cleaning i use that dry lube/ceramic plus additives Anschütz/ Fluna stuff. Residue free, solid, non sticky, lubricant. For metal and plastics. The gunsmith Jan Bruder https://www.buechsenmachereibruder.de/ introduced it to me and my kadet.

https://shop.ahg-anschuetz.de/en/weapon-care-safety/cleaning/463/anschuetz-gun-ceramic-coating

https://ahg.anschuetz-sport.com/dateien/Downloads%20(eng)/Anschuetz-gun-products.Eng.pdf

I had to degrease and dry the complete gun first. I used break cleaner and Loctite 7063 degreaser, cloths and compressed air. Alfresco.
Then i sprayed Fluna on and wiped it down. Also in the barrel. And not to forget the kadets FP and its spring and channnel. Mags. Home from the range i now clean the barrel with Fluna, a nylon brush and patches.


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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2020, 07:04:38 PM »
Brownells sells an aerosol "Mag Slick" that is a dry lube. You spray it in the tube and then the carrier evaporates. Works great. 

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Re: Best Lube For Magazines
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2020, 07:07:52 PM »
Need to clean and lube my Kadet magazines and wondered what you guys use.
Johnson's paste wax.

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