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Offline earlan357

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P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« on: February 14, 2019, 11:36:41 AM »
So I picked up a P07.  It's my first DA/SA gun after years of just 1911's and striker fired guns.

After 200 break-in rounds and a ton of dryfire (with an o-ring) I slicked up the trigger following the excellent tutorial from Schmeky in the Cajun Gun Works section.  With factory parts I was able to eliminate a lot of the stacking and grittyness in the DA pull (11lbs 4oz), and got a nice rolling break in the SA (4lbs 2oz).  I still wanted to lighten the weights a bit and the DA pull still had some stacking near the end so I ordered up some go fast parts from CGW.  I like the SA trigger as it is so I didn't get the Pro Kit since I didn't need the upgraded hammer.

.220" DA Roller
15# mainspring
Reduced Power Trigger Spring
Reduce Power Firing Pin Safety Plunger Spring
P-07/09 Short Reset Trigger Kit.

I installed everything but the SRT Disconnector and Lifter Arm and took some before photos.  The DA dropped to just under 8# while the SA dropped to 3#.  The DA still stacks a bit, but I don't notice it when I'm pulling just fast enough to not disturb the front sight.

I snapped some photos with my rail mounted camera jig thingy, then installed the SRT parts.  I noticed that the disconnector is a little thicker than the oem parts.  My factory disconnector is .057" wide while the SRT is .058".  The wider disconnector was catching the front corner of the sear slot it rides in preventing it from catching the half-cock notch when returning the trigger in DA when slowly letting off the trigger.  I took everything apart and lightly broke the sharp corner where the sear nose is cut by the disconnector notch.  I put everything back together, dry-fired for about an hour to let the parts settle in, checked the weights, and took some after pics.

DA remained unchanged but the SA pull went up to 3lbs 4oz.  At first I was concerned but realized that the new parts trade off some mechanical advantage to reduce the overall distance of the break and reset,  I'm perfectly happy with an SA trigger between 3-3.5# and the reduced reset is worth a few oz.

                                                      Approximate Numbers:

                                        Trigger reach at rest in SA mode: Reduced by 4.5 mm
Distance from sear contact point to rear of the trigger guard: 3.75 mm to 2.75 mm
       Reset distance from rear of trigger guard to reset point: 7.5 mm to 5.75 mm
               Reset distance from to reset point to sear contact: 3.75 mm to 3 mm
                                                      Total SA Trigger stroke: 12.25 mm to 8.25 mm

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Offline TNman

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 07:06:38 PM »
Awesome  graphics.

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 07:31:38 PM »
Neat, always interesting to see the outcome of the available tuning parts.
Will work for CZ pics! (including but not limited to all CZ clones)

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2019, 05:39:47 AM »
Nice animation.  I love seeing mods like that quantified definitively.

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2019, 07:19:47 PM »
...11 lbs 4 oz for DA trigger was way more than my P-07.  New, mine was less than 9 lbs.  Two years of shooting and many ...many ...dry fires with o rings it is right now...7 lbs 6 ozs.  S/A is 3 lbs 10 ozs. No mods or aftermarket parts installed.
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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2019, 08:00:27 PM »
I like how you put this together. Good info for those possible on the fence.

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2019, 11:48:58 AM »
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Today's P-07 project is installing a #15 hammer spring, reduced power firing pin spring and reduced power trigger spring. Last weekend I buffed most of the internals with a Dremel and relaxed the tension on the trigger bar return spring.


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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 10:20:11 PM »
Thanks, Earl, great report and animation.  You are going to like that hammer gun. 
Joe
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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 01:48:45 AM »
Awesome animation...

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2019, 08:07:41 AM »
Very nice.

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 10:07:03 PM »
Thanks again for a great thread!  Folks keep in mind that all albums are different and react slightly different when tweaked. 

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2019, 11:00:23 AM »
I've been thinking about the CGW roller and wondering how much of a difference it will make, given the other things I've already swapped out....

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 07:09:48 AM »
I've been thinking about the CGW roller and wondering how much of a difference it will make, given the other things I've already swapped out....

IF your roller is consistent and even, it won't make much difference in the feel of the trigger.  However, it MIGHT eliminate some or all of the over-travel.  This is all about "tolerance stacking".  I've had SOME guns which could not take the kit AND the roller because I lost all over-travel and ended up not completing the trigger stroke consistently.  If your roller is within .03-.04, maybe .05 of the Cajun part, you should be GTG. 

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 10:07:50 AM »
I've been thinking about the CGW roller and wondering how much of a difference it will make, given the other things I've already swapped out....

IF your roller is consistent and even, it won't make much difference in the feel of the trigger.  However, it MIGHT eliminate some or all of the over-travel.  This is all about "tolerance stacking".  I've had SOME guns which could not take the kit AND the roller because I lost all over-travel and ended up not completing the trigger stroke consistently.  If your roller is within .03-.04, maybe .05 of the Cajun part, you should be GTG.

I measured my oem roller at .216" and replaced it with a CGW .220".  With the oem roller, about 4/5ths of the way through the DA pull, there was a definite wall of resistance.  With the .220, it's still there but it's less pronounced and the pressure required to press beyond it is lower.  Fells like driving up a speed bump instead of a curb.

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Re: P-07/09 CGW Short Reset Trigger Before/After Animation
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2019, 10:42:51 AM »
Great - thanks for the info, folks.