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Offline Metal Wonder Nine Guy

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Do CZ 82/83s have a half cock notch?
« on: February 18, 2019, 08:59:55 AM »
What the title says. If you plan to lower the hammer on a live round, then is there a half cock position for the hammer to rest at?

Offline afultz075

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Re: Do CZ 82/83s have a half cock notch?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2019, 10:49:58 AM »
There is no half-cock position, but they use a rebounding hammer with a hammer block - meaning that the hammer does not rest on the firing pin when in double-action mode.

Offline BeoBill

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Re: Do CZ 82/83s have a half cock notch?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 04:07:55 PM »
As I understand it the Condition 1 carry was chambered round with hammer back and safety engaged. The safety appears to disconnect the trigger. If you have a retention strap on your holster it can be positioned between the hammer and slide rear for extra safety.

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Re: Do CZ 82/83s have a half cock notch?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 06:24:17 PM »
As I understand it the Condition 1 carry was chambered round with hammer back and safety engaged. The safety appears to disconnect the trigger. If you have a retention strap on your holster it can be positioned between the hammer and slide rear for extra safety.

That strap idea is pretty good. I never thought of that. Thanks for the replies everyone!

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Re: Do CZ 82/83s have a half cock notch?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 05:08:07 AM »
The 82/83 is easy to decock safely.  I put my thumb up over the hammer with my thumbnail firmly against the end of slide, blocking the firing pin.  Then I press the trigger to release the hammer onto my thumb.  Then immediately release the trigger, which activates the rebounding hammer safety, at which point I slowly withdraw my thumb allowing the hammer to come to rest in its Condition 2 position.  With your finger off the trigger and the rebounding hammer safety activated, even if you drop the hammer suddenly while withdrawing your thumb the hammer will not/cannot strike the firing pin.


Note, however, that the 82/83 is somewhat unsafe to carry in Condition 2, as it is not entirely drop safe.  With the hammer down a sudden drop with the muzzle up can and has resulted in a negligent discharge.  You can determine this is possible by doing a press check with the pistol in Condition 2 -- you. an move the slide back just far enough for the lowered hammer to slightly depress the firing pin.  In a drop with unfortunate orientation, such slight depression has occurred with enough force to ignite the primer in a chambered round.
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Re: Do CZ 82/83s have a half cock notch?
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2019, 03:50:18 PM »
Note, however, that the 82/83 is somewhat unsafe to carry in Condition 2, as it is not entirely drop safe.  With the hammer down a sudden drop with the muzzle up can and has resulted in a negligent discharge.  You can determine this is possible by doing a press check with the pistol in Condition 2 -- you. an move the slide back just far enough for the lowered hammer to slightly depress the firing pin.  In a drop with unfortunate orientation, such slight depression has occurred with enough force to ignite the primer in a chambered round.

So is it better to carry a CZ82/83 in condition 1 rather than condition 2? Or is either way haphazardous since the 82/83 lacks a firing pin block?

 

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