Carrying a Pre-B Condition 1?

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Since the Pre-B's lack the B(lock), would you say they are safe to carry cocked and locked? I've seen conflicting opinions so I'd like to know what the forum thinks.

[Scoose]

I?d almost call you a pot stirrer for this question 😂😂😂

Some folks don?t believe in carrying condition 1 in any weapon.

Some folks would disagree with carrying a Pre B in condition 1

Me? The Pre B would not be my first choice in en edc. However, I would carry it if I needed to and I always carry in condition 1. YMMV

[Tyerone]

Yes.

IMO there would be more concern with the hammer all the way down when experiencing a hammer (ball pean) blow to the gun's hammer without the FP Block.  Do you anticipate that ever happening?  You do carry in a holster, right?  No strings from hoodies to pull the trigger?  In reality, DA carry without a FPB can be very safe as well.  The most unsafe carry IMO is with an empty chamber.  Even still, sufficient training could overcome even that (Israel military for instance).  I wouldn't recommend empty chamber carry for us "regular folk who wear tennis shoes or the occasional python boot".  --Zappa

[briang2ad]

With any weapon proceed at your own risk. 

Yes - totally safe just like ANY true Series 70 1911. 

You can also safely carry it with the hammer in the PROPER DA position which is half cock.  you simply place your thumb over between the hammer and FP, then pull the trigger allowing the hammer to fall on the thumb, then roll it out of the way.  Never attempt the "idiot pinch method."

Can you find a way to DROP the weapon on the muzzle and get it to fire in these positions?  Yes.  That is why lawyers got gun makers to install FPBs.  With a full strength firing pin spring and the inertial system, this is also hard.   Some knowledgeable gun reviewers are now admitting this.   

[M1A4ME]

I carried a Colt Combat Commander for 20 plus years.   On and off duty for a couple of years and then off duty for about 3 more years and then after I left LE it was still my concealed carry pistol for awhile (then I got what I'd wanted for years a stainless steel Colt Government Model - it was a Series 80, but I bought it because it was SS and the price was incredible).  Never any issues.

I was carrying my Pre B CZ85 around my property for awhile and then I made a CZ75 Compact into a CZ85 Compact/clone and carried it for a couple years.  I don't remember worrying about the Pre B not having a firing pin block.

A carry gun shouldn't have a true "hair" trigger.  I would never carry my Tactical Sport with it's less than 2 lb. trigger pull.  It's scary light.

As to lack of a firing pin block safety with SA/DA pistol -

1.  What does a firing pin block safety do?  It blocks forward movement of the firing pin unless the trigger has been pulled.
2.  When you have the pistol in a good holster, how can the trigger be pulled?
3.  If you are carrying a SA/DA pistol (like the Pre B CZ75/85) you're carrying it cocked and locked, right?  If not, why not just get a BD model?  It's designed the way you want to operate.  The B model really isn't.  You can do it with a B model, but why?
4.  The favorite of the "in" crowd these days is the Glock.
5.  The Glock has a striker block safety that keeps the striker from moving forward unless you pull the trigger.  Sort of sound like the B or BD model CZ's, doesn't it.
6.  The Glock's only manual safety is that little piece of plastic in the center of the trigger, so you have to be careful when putting it in the holster or handling it.  Again, sounds like a CZ.

Anyone who would carry a Glock, an M&P, an XD, an FN - any of the striker fired pistols has the same issues you have carrying the CZ - except you have an additional manual safety that you should be putting in the safe position before you holster it.

Just my opinion but I don't carry/shoot decocker pistols.  I do carry an XD 5" Tactical .45 - but it's one of those rare models with the ambidextrous thumb safeties - like my 1911's and my Pre B CZ85/CZ85 clone compact, P07, etc.

That's something else I don't do, switch around from gun to gun with some of them having a different manual of arms than the others.  Not a good idea.  I can't tell you how many times my right finger dropped the magazine out of an AR15 when I first switched over from the M1A to the AR15.  I know the M1A/M1 Garand safety moves forward/rearward and the AR15 magazine release is pushed to the left - but my right finger would move up there to the magazine release and drop that magazine right on the bench, on the ground and I'd hear a funny noise, look down and think, what the hell???  Then my mind would recall that I'd just done it again.  I bought a GII.  Now I can have the 7.62X51 or the 5.56X39 and operate the same.  Might just be me.

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Haha, I didn't think I would get such responses to this! So to recap, the pistol could potentially ND if dropped in front of the muzzle since it doesn't have a firing pin block but this is somewhat unlikely especially if carried in a good holster and carried by someone with decent cognitive awareness. Also gonna have to ask what the idiot pinch method is, I have a decocker on my P-01 Omega and I tried ways of lowering the hammer manually (safely with an empty chamber and mag, of course) to get the feel of doing this on a manual safety only CZ and I tried doing it a few ways with my thumb infront of the block and a way where I pinch it tightly whilst keeping my joint of my index finger in front on the hammer so I can freely control it as a I eased it down. Dunno if I was doing the idiot method, however.

Sort of asked this because 1. I love the Pre-B so I sort of wanted to know more about it's safety and real life usage and 2. there's a really nice early 80s Pre-B near my LGS that I MAY get around to snagging assuming no one takes it in the months I am preparing to save up for it.

[M1A4ME]

Seems like, when I first read about 1911's going off 20 plus years ago (from being dropped) it was amazing drop.  Like 8 or 10 feet up on a concrete floor and it had to hit muzzle first, or something like that.

Really, if it was a problem with the design why didn't it happen since 1911 till the 1970's or 1980's?  I read every gun book I could get my hands on in the 70's and 80's and I just don't remember it being a thing.

Don't "pinch" the hammer between thumb and trigger finger.  Put your trigger finger or thumb between the hammer face and the back of the slide and pull the trigger slowly.  The hammer will fall on your skin/muscle/finger.  Let up on the trigger and remove your finger/thumb.  Don't put it on safe.  It either won't go on safe or you many damage parts trying to do it.  Not made to work that way.

I'll bet way more people have shot themselves in the foot/leg/groin with their striker fired (striker block/safety) pistols than people shot with they dropped a 1911 or Pre B CZ75/85 on the floor/road/sidewalk.

Might be another case where the "fix" didn't keep people from getting hurt.  Safe, isn't always Safe.  Or, some people are unsafe no matter what they do or what they do it with.  I have a relative like that.

Learn safe habits, practice safe habits and you'll repeat those safe habits even under stressfull situations.

[Scoose]

I'll bet way more people have shot themselves in the foot/leg/groin with their striker fired (striker block/safety) pistols than people shot with they dropped a 1911 or Pre B CZ75/85 on the floor/road/sidewalk.

I bet you are right!!