2000 Round Challenge

[holidaypf]

I'm working on running my 75 Omega through 2,000 rounds of ammo without cleaning. I saw others doing this on pistol-forum.com and wanted to see how my 75 would fare. I'm at 1150 rounds so far. I switched to Wolf 115 grain at around 400 rounds into the project. I have stayed away from Wolf ammo because accuracy is not acceptable with my ARs. However, the pistol ammo groups just fine and is not as dirty as I thought it would be. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it and for about $140 a case, it makes this experiment a bit more affordable.

So far, my only failures are three failures of the chambered round to ignite. All three were wolf steel ammo. In the first instance, I ejected the round and could see no firing pin mark. Nothing. It fired upon rechambering and striking a second time. The following two failures I left chambered and they both fired on the second trigger pull. So, I don't think this is a 75 failure so much as an ammo issue, but wanted to ask y'all's opinions.

Has anyone else ever noticed a failure of Wolf ammo to go off in their pistols?

[Tyerone]

Are you squirting some oil on it every now and then?  I'm not sure I could go that long, maybe 10 shooting sessions without cleaning...  Some here do just that, though.

[holidaypf]

Are you squirting some oil on it every now and then?  I'm not sure I could go that long, maybe 10 shooting sessions without cleaning...  Some here do just that, though.

No sir. The real challenge is keeping my hands off the cleaning equipment. I started with a dry lube and am curious to see if that will keep things going. So far, it's running like a top.

[ZanderMan]

Cool experiment. I don?t clean after every range trip, just doesn?t seem necessary.

One failure that has popped up on me is a build-up of carbon behind the extractor tooth, causing FTE?s.

As long as you keep the striker dry, it should not gunk up and cause light strikes.

It will be interesting to see if you get any more failures to ignite.

[Mercs]

It?s cool when you tubers do it with free guns, but think about it... you could be putting unnecessary  wear/stress on the gun or certain parts while completing the challenge, and for what?


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[holidaypf]

It?s cool when you tubers do it with free guns, but think about it... you could be putting unnecessary  wear/stress on the gun or certain parts while completing the challenge, and for what?


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Science!

It's a range toy and I think it will be fine. If not, I'm sure I can repair anything that might break. But if you haven't checked out the 2000 round challenge on pistol-forum.com, you may find it enlightening. These service grade pistols are up to the task. I've seen far worse wear on military weapons that just kept chucking brass.

[himurax13]

What is this cleaning you guys speak of?

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[holidaypf]

It appears that the problem is that the slide is not fully going into battery. Happened four times today out of 64 rounds. I'll try some better ammo and see if the issue continues. If so, the test may be about done.

[recoilguy]

I have seen were wolf ammo will not go into battery before and the reason was determined to be the bullet was not tapered into the case properly and when the gun cycled the next shell into chamber the bullet would move forward and stop the slide from going into battery. The bullet in essence grew when stripped from the mag and became too long for the CZ. It made sense to me. I have never actually experienced this but was at the range while some pretty knowledgeable guys looked the situation over and came to this conclusion.

like I said made sense to me, I don't know if this is your problem or not, and full disclosure, I am probably not a good person to ask because I have a predisposed dislike of Wolf ammo anyway.

RCG

[holidaypf]

I have seen were wolf ammo will not go into battery before and the reason was determined to be the bullet was not tapered into the case properly and when the gun cycled the next shell into chamber the bullet would move forward and stop the slide from going into battery. The bullet in essence grew when stripped from the mag and became too long for the CZ. It made sense to me. I have never actually experienced this but was at the range while some pretty knowledgeable guys looked the situation over and came to this conclusion.

like I said made sense to me, I don't know if this is your problem or not, and full disclosure, I am probably not a good person to ask because I have a predisposed dislike of Wolf ammo anyway.

RCG

Ha, yeah I normally wouldn't mess with Wolf either. Thank you for your input. Next range session or two will be with regular brass ammo.

[SSGN_Doc]

I have done this ?Challenge? with my Px4 Compact, and my P07, and been doing it with a Canik TP9V2 (at 1,250 on that one).

The original idea was to identify reliability or mechanical issues, early, before putting a pistol into carry rotation.  Once ?vetted? the pistol gets cleaned and maintained as well as possible when it is operating as a carry piece.

I maintained a log book with ammo brands, and types used, and any failures noted during the 2,00 round process.  I try to put as many brands, bullet types and weights through, as I can to also try to identify any ammo sensitivity issues or preferences.

In my case the Canik is being put through purely out of curiosity of how this pistol stacks up compared to more generally accepted pistols as CZ, Beretta, and Sig.

[holidaypf]

I have done this ?Challenge? with my Px4 Compact, and my P07, and been doing it with a Canik TP9V2 (at 1,250 on that one).

The original idea was to identify reliability or mechanical issues, early, before putting a pistol into carry rotation.  Once ?vetted? the pistol gets cleaned and maintained as well as possible when it is operating as a carry piece.

I maintained a log book with ammo brands, and types used, and any failures noted during the 2,00 round process.  I try to put as many brands, bullet types and weights through, as I can to also try to identify any ammo sensitivity issues or preferences.

In my case the Canik is being put through purely out of curiosity of how this pistol stacks up compared to more generally accepted pistols as CZ, Beretta, and Sig.

So far, I have 1214 rounds using Sellior & Bellot 124 FMJ, Fiocchi 115 FMJ, Remington Black Belt 124 JHP, American Eagle 124 FMJ and the Wolf. I'll try some more hollow points next.

[holidaypf]

I ran 2030 rounds through my 75 Omega in about one month, without any cleaning. This included the following: 116 American Eagle 124 gr FMJ, 306 Fiocchi 115 gr FMJ, 164 Sellier & Bellot 124 gr FMJ, 50 Remington Black Belt 124 gr JHP and 1394 Wolf 115 gr FMJ.

On 8 occassions, the slide failed to return fully to battery. Wolf was in use each time. A light tap to the rear of the slide got me back in the action. Also, one Wolf primer was struck and dimpled but the round did not fire. It did go bang on the second strike.

I suspect that had I used decent ammo for the full 2000 rounds, the 75 would not have hiccuped. Someday, I would like to run it again with just top notch ammo.

Dirty Pistola Pics:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sTyGDcLAn6qCLwEU6

Special thanks to Practical Shooter for his YouTube videos demonstrating how to break the 75 down and put it all together again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUBp6qykJbI

[Choatecav]

Thanks for keeping us posted on this.
It was interesting.

[Practical Shooter]

Dirty Pistola Pics:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sTyGDcLAn6qCLwEU6

Special thanks to Practical Shooter for his YouTube videos demonstrating how to break the 75 down and put it all together again.

Your gun is absolutely filthy. It is going to take you hours to clean it 
CZ are very resilient to dirt. My cleaning schedule for my SP-01 is at 1700 rounds, but I do add oil regularly.
Concerning the video, you are welcome, and am glad you took advantage of it.