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Offline Pistolet

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2019, 02:11:31 PM »
Common wisdom is you want a FMJ bullet to be 1/2 thousandth larger than your bore.

Since 'most' 45 FMJ projectiles are 452...

sounds like your bore is a bit oversize.

What size coated SWC should I use? .453?
At least...maybe .454.

There's a member here that loads bare lead at .358 for 9mm in all his pistols. He maintains there's no substitute for fit with lead bullets. You have more leeway with coated, but there's no reason to ignore fit if you have the choice.
I've been looking around for Coated .453 or .454 but I haven't found any. Does anybody have a source?

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2019, 03:21:35 PM »
Did you measure the diameter of one of your bullets before loading?  PD doesn't list the diameter of their 230gr bullet....I just looked at their site, but they show the 185gr. at .451.  Good chance the 230gr is too.

I don't shoot any jacketed or plated .45 rounds, I reload all coated LSWC either 200 or 185gr from several companies and .452 is the "usual".  I just looked at the sites for all the bullets I've used (6 or more) and all that list size showed them as .452.  The only one listing "other sizes available" was Bayou Bullets and his were .452 otherwise, so you may want to get in touch with them if you want something other than .452.   

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2019, 04:25:12 PM »
Did you measure the diameter of one of your bullets before loading?  PD doesn't list the diameter of their 230gr bullet....I just looked at their site, but they show the 185gr. at .451.  Good chance the 230gr is too.

I don't shoot any jacketed or plated .45 rounds, I reload all coated LSWC either 200 or 185gr from several companies and .452 is the "usual".  I just looked at the sites for all the bullets I've used (6 or more) and all that list size showed them as .452.  The only one listing "other sizes available" was Bayou Bullets and his were .452 otherwise, so you may want to get in touch with them if you want something other than .452.   
According to my Lyman dial caliper the needle is between .4515 and .452. and using the same caliper I slugged at a little above .452. I don't know how accurate it is. I measured some feeler gauges from when I used to check my valves this morning and it was right on.
I will check out Bayou Bullets even though I don't have any problems with the Bear Creek SWCs.

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2019, 05:39:34 PM »

According to my Lyman dial caliper the needle is between .4515 and .452. and using the same caliper I slugged at a little above .452. I don't know how accurate it is. I measured some feeler gauges from when I used to check my valves this morning and it was right on.
I will check out Bayou Bullets even though I don't have any problems with the Bear Creek SWCs.

This begs the question: How do I know that my caliper is correct? I can verify my scale with check-weights, I can verify my caliper using feeler gauges but that only verifies small measurements, but what to use for 9mm and .45s?

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2019, 08:42:51 AM »
Calipers are for making quick and close measurements. All you can do with a caliper is clean and close the jaws, and then see if it "zeroes" when closed. If you need to make precise or critical measurements, then you need to own a micrometer.

Calipers are handy and fast. You can get Inside, Outside and Depth readings really fast. And you can do "tricks" like "zeroing" a digital caliper at the perfect dimension, then all the items you measure will show how far they are (plus or minus) from "perfect". And those answers will be good enough for most reloading needs.

But do NOT equate "fast and easy" with "precise". Just because a digital caliper shows a number on the digital readout don't make it so. Especially when you are seeking answers at or smaller than 0.001".



Also note that a digital caliper is actually reading a small strip of magnetic recording tape buried in the caliper's handle. A "head" (very similar to those found in a cassette tape player) reads the increments recorded on the tape as they pass under the head. That's why digital calipers are only available in non-magnetic plastic or stainless. IF the caliper is placed near strong magnetic fields, then, just like a VCR or audio cassette, the tape can be erased, thereby ruining the instrument's accuracy. 

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2019, 10:26:39 AM »
Calipers are for making quick and close measurements. All you can do with a caliper is clean and close the jaws, and then see if it "zeroes" when closed. If you need to make precise or critical measurements, then you need to own a micrometer.

Calipers are handy and fast. You can get Inside, Outside and Depth readings really fast. And you can do "tricks" like "zeroing" a digital caliper at the perfect dimension, then all the items you measure will show how far they are (plus or minus) from "perfect". And those answers will be good enough for most reloading needs.

But do NOT equate "fast and easy" with "precise". Just because a digital caliper shows a number on the digital readout don't make it so. Especially when you are seeking answers at or smaller than 0.001".



Also note that a digital caliper is actually reading a small strip of magnetic recording tape buried in the caliper's handle. A "head" (very similar to those found in a cassette tape player) reads the increments recorded on the tape as they pass under the head. That's why digital calipers are only available in non-magnetic plastic or stainless. IF the caliper is placed near strong magnetic fields, then, just like a VCR or audio cassette, the tape can be erased, thereby ruining the instrument's accuracy. 

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I only use my dial caliper, the digital one is indeed out of whack. I just looked at micrometers online and there is a wide range of prices, $11.99 to $7000+! Do you have any recommendations?

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2019, 06:46:45 PM »
For the price/quality ratio...

I'd grab this one on BIN... https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Starrett-Mechanical-Outside-Micrometer-T436-1XRL-1/333123864619?epid=1400572784&hash=item4d8fbac82b:g:YD0AAOSwEvZcElTV
Thanks for the tip. At first I thought ouch, $75! and then I saw that it was half of what everybody else charges. I will add this to my pile of other tools, and all I thought I needed was a cheap Lee 4 Hole Classic Turret Press kit   :o ;D

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2019, 09:15:40 PM »
For the price/quality ratio...

I'd grab this one on BIN... https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Starrett-Mechanical-Outside-Micrometer-T436-1XRL-1/333123864619?epid=1400572784&hash=item4d8fbac82b:g:YD0AAOSwEvZcElTV
Thanks for the tip. At first I thought ouch, $75! and then I saw that it was half of what everybody else charges. I will add this to my pile of other tools, and all I thought I needed was a cheap Lee 4 Hole Classic Turret Press kit   :o ;D
It's a good value.

There's little economy in cheap tools. ;)
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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2019, 09:28:30 PM »
 I still use a Starrett 1", 2", 3" set that my father bought when he returned home from WW2 .

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2019, 12:18:38 AM »
Yes, there is little economy in cheap tools, I can see a Dillon 550 in my future.

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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2019, 08:17:14 AM »
The seller has now raised the price to $125.
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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2019, 10:52:03 AM »
Hahaha, I ordered it before it went up. They probably saw a bunch of clicks by people from this forum since you posted it and decided to raise it.
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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2019, 11:04:54 AM »
Hahaha, I ordered it before it went up. They probably saw a bunch of clicks by people from this forum since you posted it and decided to raise it.
Good move not snoozing. It's still a decent price at $125, but at that price I'd probably do more searching. ;)
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Re: Why does Precision Delta 230gr make my gun so dirty ?
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2019, 04:02:52 PM »
Price is down to $99 for anyone looking for a top quality 1 inch mic.
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