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Offline Rdneck

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9mm for CZ
« on: April 04, 2019, 07:16:34 AM »
I've been reloading 9mm rounds for a Glock, Sig P226, and a 1911.  I use CCI primers and 4.6gr of W231 under a 115gr plated round nose bullet with an OAL of 1.100".  I have just ordered my first CZ (a Shadow 2).  Should I have any concern with the rounds I have working in my new CZ?
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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2019, 07:22:58 AM »
Welcome.

Most RN ammo will fit fine all the way out to SAAMI max. CZ's were designed for RN ammo. There are exceptions, however.

I strongly suggest you do the plunk test outlined in this thread.
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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2019, 09:18:33 AM »
Most likely no.
But still, pull out the barrel (you are going to want to field stop it and lube/grease it anyways) and drop a round in the barrel(plunk test, look it up).
Make sure it goes it and you can twist it. If it is hitting the lands you won?t be able to.



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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2019, 09:34:52 AM »
I run all of my reloads through a case gauge.  But I will "plunk" a few before reloading more.  Thanks for the info.
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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2019, 10:53:29 AM »
Welcome to the CZ Forum.

I will take a position between Painter and Oteroman and say "maybe". The fact you loaded RN gives you the best chance, but the exact ogive shape of a RN can vary from maker to maker. For instance, Rocky Mntn Reloading made a RN for a short time that worked great in CZs', then they changed their ogive shape to a much more blunt design. The OALs had to be decreased substantially when they made this change. So there you had an example of "RN" from the same maker changing the OAL.

Here's another famous example....


The 124gr Zero RNFP on the left has a Max OAL of 0.992" in my SP01. (This is shorter than suggested 1.000" by SAAMI standards.) The 124gr Berry RN on the right has a Max OAL of 1.200" (much longer than the magazine can ever accept). So here we have a variation of over 0.20" just between 2 RN bullets. Clearly guessing cannot be used to make this determination.


I run all of my reloads through a case gauge.  But I will "plunk" a few before reloading more. 

The only length dimension a case or cartridge gauge can tell you if you exceed 1.169", the SAAMI Max OAL for 9x19 Luger. It does not include the rifling, therefore it cannot tell you if the bullet interferes with the rifling. So in this instance, the case gauge is useless.

You will need to use your actual CZ barrel for this test. The barrel is ALWAYS the ultimate judge when it comes to OAL and determining seating depth. Until you are comfortable with your CZ reloading and possibly decide upon a standard bullet, believe me when I say you will be pulling that CZ barrel out of the gun a lot !! But in all this your reloading skills will improve a lot too.

We will release a revised "How to Determine..." guide in the next week. Hopefully this will be clearer than the one we have now.

Have fun and ask questions. We're here to help.  ;)
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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2019, 02:03:37 PM »
Thanks guys.  I'm glad I asked.
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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2019, 02:46:11 PM »
We're glad you have a new CZ and have decided to join us !!

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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2019, 08:17:58 PM »
Sooo...what bullet are you loading?

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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2019, 11:07:03 PM »
I strongly suggest you do the plunk test outlined in this thread.

Newer material posted....  https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=103620.0


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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2019, 01:20:26 AM »
I strongly suggest you do the plunk test outlined in this thread.

Newer material posted....  https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=103620.0


After 115,000 reads, the other one was just worn out !   ;D
At least it had a warranty and Author updated it. Thank you. ;D

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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2019, 09:57:34 PM »
I have found any type of round nose will generally work ,  But I know for a fact , that V Crowns won't.  The nose  of the V Crown is too large, and the throat in the CZ is too short.  To make them go into battery, you have to seat them really low, then you will  have FTF issues, I found this out in a steel shooting match....Other than that, I have never had any issues with other bullets so far....

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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2019, 02:49:44 PM »
I have found any type of round nose will generally work,  But I know for a fact, that V Crowns won't. 


You're talking of the SIG V-Crowns ?
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Re: 9mm for CZ
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2019, 07:37:03 PM »
Yes, Sig V Crowns.