CZ 91197 Stainless steel finish debate

[tgoldie00]

Again not an excuse for CZ.

And yet, you're letting them off the hook.  Got it.

And yet...you don?t own one...the irony of all of this is completely lost on you.

You are complaining about a pistol YOU DON?T OWN.

As the owner of said pistol, it is my distinct right to chose what to do with my time in regards to this situation. It is the distinct right of other owners to do the same with their time and energy.

It is NOT your job to judge me or anyone else with how we handle this situation. If you want that to be my job, the hourly rate for my services to run this up the flagpole is (I?ll give you a real deal here) $175 p/hr. That should cover my real salary plus 115% for the aggravation of trying to find out that some poor sap who doesn?t speak English likely put the wrong info in his English label printer.

Alas I?ll bow out here with a meaningful quote for this brief but entertaining conversation;

?I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.?
-George Bernard Shaw

[Stojanovich]

And yet...you don?t own one...the irony of all of this is completely lost on you.

You are complaining about a pistol YOU DON?T OWN.

Your justification is laughable.  However, I do know several folks who bought them.  My LGS sold, at least, 25-30.  All I'm trying to do is to provide those owners, who feel like they've been cheated, with info on what recourse they have available with CZ-USA.  I'm sorry if you find that upsetting.  The real irony here is that you're willing to give them a pass.

[nonamehavei]

And yet...you don?t own one...the irony of all of this is completely lost on you.

You are complaining about a pistol YOU DON?T OWN.

Your justification is laughable.  However, I do know several folks who bought them.  My LGS sold, at least, 25-30.  All I'm trying to do is to provide those owners, who feel like they've been cheated, with info on what recourse they have available with CZ-USA.  I'm sorry if you find that upsetting.  The real irony here is that you're willing to give them a pass.

Dude, if you have any friends that are upset that their pistols are not stainless and are actually nickel plated, give them my contact info, I will buy as many as they want to sell at the retail price of the pistol, and I will eat the shipping and ffl fees. Problem solved. 

[Stojanovich]

And don?t mind Stojanovich. He just likes saying ?electro-penciled?, ?Khyber Pass?, and getting his underwear in a bunch when a public company makes something he doesn?t 100% agree with or like.

I'm sorry but you couldn't be more wrong.  I derive no pleasure from this.  I think it's a bleep shame that a company that I held in such high regard betrayed its customer's trust by stooping to this level of misrepresentation and acting like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar when confronted about it.  That's Mickey Mouse BS that I thought CZ-USA was above.

I'm thrilled that you're happy and satisfied with yours, though.  I mean that.  If you can't understand why some owners wouldn't be, I don't know what to tell you?  Try to understand that the vast majority of people who bought those P-01's bought them because they were supposedly made out of stainless steel, not because they were a limited edition collectible and destined to be a safe queen.  Many who used them have experienced serious issues with the nickel-plating peeling-off of the frame and slide rails after only a few hundred rounds.         

[Maynard]

 I think it's a bleep shame that a company that I held in such high regard betrayed its customer's trust by stooping to this level of misrepresentation and acting like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar when confronted about it.  That's Mickey Mouse BS that I thought CZ-USA was above.

This bears repeating.

There's been a pattern of behavior and management decisions made by CZ that would indicate that they are not above misleading their customers or offering products they can't support.

Neither of those is a good look.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

 I think it's a bleep shame that a company that I held in such high regard betrayed its customer's trust by stooping to this level of misrepresentation and acting like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar when confronted about it.  That's Mickey Mouse BS that I thought CZ-USA was above.

This bears repeating.

There's been a pattern of behavior and management decisions made by CZ that would indicate that they are not above misleading their customers or offering products they can't support.

Neither of those is a good look.

Well if this is true it would only make CZ no different than any other gun manufacturer out there. You want to talk about misleading and outright lies I can write a full page here about Walther and my recent  dealings with their shenanigans.
As for these nickle plated CZ's who knows with only 200 brought in to the country they may become a diamond in the rough and develop a high value among collectors at some point.
If all these guys who bought them are really having issues with the plating and the fact that they are not actually stainless as advertised the owners should be hammering CZ-USA about it.

[Stojanovich]

 I think it's a bleep shame that a company that I held in such high regard betrayed its customer's trust by stooping to this level of misrepresentation and acting like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar when confronted about it.  That's Mickey Mouse BS that I thought CZ-USA was above.

This bears repeating.

There's been a pattern of behavior and management decisions made by CZ that would indicate that they are not above misleading their customers or offering products they can't support.

Neither of those is a good look.

Well if this is true it would only make CZ no different than any other gun manufacturer out there. You want to talk about misleading and outright lies I can write a full page here about Walther and my recent  dealings with their shenanigans.
As for these nickle plated CZ's who knows with only 200 brought in to the country they may become a diamond in the rough and develop a high value among collectors at some point.
If all these guys who bought them are really having issues with the plating and the fact that they are not actually stainless as advertised the owners should be hammering CZ-USA about it.

A close friend is doing just that.  Once he received the initial response (posted upthread) from Brett at CZ-USA and replied back saying that he didn't answer his question, he received this response from Jacob:



My friend sent his 'stainless' P-01 back to CZ-USA last week and is eagerly awaiting their decision.

Yes, it's disheartening to see CZ-USA going down the same path as companies like, Smith & Wesson, Mossberg, Walther and Sig-Sauer (and others) have gone down but, for some reason, they think/hope it'll blow-over quickly.  Meanwhile, the fanboys will try to shout-down the people who have the audacity to complain about it. 

 

[Underwhere]

Wow apparently I'm late to this discussion.

I don't see any discussion about the controls.

I too questioned whether this was stainless from the beginning but when compared to my full size high polished the finish looked very similar but duller. (it polished up OK though)

The controls all had a Matte finish to them. I wonder if they put real stainless controls on this gun.


My detailed review here.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=100048.0

[Vincent04]

My friend owns one of these pistols, and after 2000+ rounds, the wear really shows on it.  Definitely not a stainless, and not worth the current market price of $1000+.  To me, nickel-plating is like wood veneer.  Looks good, but not the real thing.

[Gunnerdad80]

 I think it's a bleep shame that a company that I held in such high regard betrayed its customer's trust by stooping to this level of misrepresentation and acting like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar when confronted about it.  That's Mickey Mouse BS that I thought CZ-USA was above.

This bears repeating.

There's been a pattern of behavior and management decisions made by CZ that would indicate that they are not above misleading their customers or offering products they can't support.

Neither of those is a good look.

Well if this is true it would only make CZ no different than any other gun manufacturer out there. You want to talk about misleading and outright lies I can write a full page here about Walther and my recent  dealings with their shenanigans.
As for these nickle plated CZ's who knows with only 200 brought in to the country they may become a diamond in the rough and develop a high value among collectors at some point.
If all these guys who bought them are really having issues with the plating and the fact that they are not actually stainless as advertised the owners should be hammering CZ-USA about it.

A close friend is doing just that.  Once he received the initial response (posted upthread) from Brett at CZ-USA and replied back saying that he didn't answer his question, he received this response from Jacob:



My friend sent his 'stainless' P-01 back to CZ-USA last week and is eagerly awaiting their decision.

Yes, it's disheartening to see CZ-USA going down the same path as companies like, Smith & Wesson, Mossberg, Walther and Sig-Sauer (and others) have gone down but, for some reason, they think/hope it'll blow-over quickly.  Meanwhile, the fanboys will try to shout-down the people who have the audacity to complain about it.

Was this issue ever resolved? One of these pistols in ‘New Old Stock’ condition is for sale on Gunbroker.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Don't think much can or was done about it. The guns were plated and not stainless as advertised and it was a limited run so anything out there is going to be from that run. You could contact CZ USA and ask how they are handling wear issues with those guns and see what response you get.

[Gunnerdad80]

Don't think much can or was done about it. The guns were plated and not stainless as advertised and it was a limited run so anything out there is going to be from that run. You could contact CZ USA and ask how they are handling wear issues with those guns and see what response you get.

Just for clarification, when you said, “The guns were plated and not stainless as advertised”, did you mean they were originally advertised as plated and not actual stainless or that they admitted after the fact that they were plated and not stainless?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Don't think much can or was done about it. The guns were plated and not stainless as advertised and it was a limited run so anything out there is going to be from that run. You could contact CZ USA and ask how they are handling wear issues with those guns and see what response you get.

Just for clarification, when you said, “The guns were plated and not stainless as advertised”, did you mean they were originally advertised as plated and not actual stainless or that they admitted after the fact that they were plated and not stainless?

I think they were originally marketed as polished stainless steel and I don't think CZ-USA even knew that they were plated until someone raised the issue at which point they did some checking and realized they were actually plated and not solid stainless.

[DenStinett]

FYI
My Matte (now Brushed) Stainless Frame is Magnetic
But so are all of my Rugers !

[Gunnerdad80]

FYI
My Matte (now Brushed) Stainless Frame is Magnetic
But so are all of my Rugers !

Some stainless steels are magnetic though.