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Offline Wobbly

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2019, 05:32:19 PM »
I would go where they are building the new factory. Only if I had a squad of good looking guards.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2019, 11:14:53 PM »
I would go where they are building the new factory. Only if I had a squad of good looking guards.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2019, 01:34:18 PM »
So is there any CURRENT news about CZ and the 10mm platform?    A custom tuned CZ P-01 in 10mm would serve well for concealed carry.  Yeah, heavy BUT VERY Effective on target. 

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2019, 12:43:36 AM »
Nothing. The only CZ 10mm is still at CZ-USA headquarters, a very custom CZ-97. I don't think there is a big enough appetite for 10mm to make what would be essentially a brand new pistol for it. I would LOVE to see a Scorpion in 10mm, though...

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2019, 01:35:33 PM »
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...If the political leaders are actually offering cash bonus incentives to move in, yes, that is taxpayer dollars, but are they offering cash or are they offering discounts on things? Remember taxes are a percentage based of gross, and the politicians have to balance, if we offer incentives here, when will the company and it's workers begin repaying those incentives?

A lot of states and areas  (cities and counties offer incentives, too)  make these kind of offers and there is seldom much CASH in the deals offered.   That doesn't mean that the programs can't be a losing proposition for some states or areas.

The governments involved offer other incentives that include NOT charging for things government usually charges for a number of years.  Typically there is not a lot of  money paid TO the firm coming in, but the firm may qualify for low cost LOANS, won't have to pay for some start-up costs, such as government services (road construction, water and sewer lines, etc); they may also pay no (or reduced) property or income taxes for that same period. 

The incentive programs don't always pay off, but when they do, they can pay off in a big way.   The failures sometime involve some government outlays, and some embarrassment, but if the deal fails, they don't have to provide services or offer discounts on taxes that they didn't collect anyway.

A firm that brings in a lot of new jobs can generate a lot of tax revenues for the local government and also create a lot of business activity for the area, either by people moving in to take jobs, or by the arrival or expansion of supporting firms (shippers, parts makers, etc.).  Even some of the suppliers MIGHT get some incentives, but not always -- but they do get a good business relationship with the business that is the focus of hte incentives.  And, of course, these supplier firms hire, too. 

BMW, the recipient of one of the bigger incentive offers, has one of the largest auto plants in the world in the Spartanburg area, and that plant now has more than 11,000 employees; it works with 300 suppliers, many with facilities in the area.  BMW, last I read, has spent over $10 Billion dollars in building and expanding that plant and campus.)
    The CZ plant isn't on the same scale as the BMW plant, but it could be a good economic bump for Arkansas -- particularly since they won't be building the kind of Assault weapons that may, one of these days, be banned.
Mercedes Benz has opened a much smaller plant in SC, and they've just been selected by Amazon to produce 20,000 delivery vans for Amazon's new delivery function.  (Amazon is dropping UPS and FedEx and is going to do its own deliveries in some areas.)

FedEx opened a big processing center at a nearby  major airport (here in Greensboro, NC), and Honda is building their new Executive Jet there, too -- a jet that seems to be selling very well.  HerbalLife also opened up a plant in this area, and they're apparently doing well, too.  All of these firms got incentives from the state, county, and sometimes city governments. 

With most of these incentive programs, if the company doesn't do what they promised to do to get the incentives (doesn't hire as many people as promised, for example) the firm has to pay back a substantial part of the benefits they've gained.   That happened here in Winston-Salem (NC) when Dell created a PC factory in the area and later closed it when the market began to focus on smaller laptop and notebook computers. Caterpillar took over the DELL site a couple of years later to produce some specialized earth-moving equipment; changes in the construction market (worldwide) hit Caterpillar very hard, and it closed down, too.  Both firms had to pay back a good bit of the incentives they received.  I'm suspect both programs were  net losses for the local governments, but they weren't total (or even BIG) losses.
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2019, 01:59:43 PM »
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Nothing. The only CZ 10mm is still at CZ-USA headquarters, a very custom CZ-97. I don't think there is a big enough appetite for 10mm to make what would be essentially a brand new pistol for it. I would LOVE to see a Scorpion in 10mm, though...

Quite a few years back I had a Witness Sport Long Slide in .45 ACP.  That model was basically an early version of the Witness Match, Hunter and Elite lines; I also had a CZ-97B at the same time.  The Witness grip was a bit smaller than the 97B, but the Witness 10mm magazines (made by Mec-Gar) fit the CZ-97B grip, and vice versa. Tanfoglio now also makes a polymer-framed 10mm based on the same CZ pattern.

The  Witness Sport Long frame would run a standard 10mm Witness slide -- they didn't offer a 10mm "Long" slide back then.   A number of shooters had one frame and two slides, like I did.  (I later decided I had no real use for a 10mm handgun and sold the slide.)  After a slide redesign (due to slide cracks with both the .45 and 10mm versions of the large-frame Witnesses)  the gun has proved to be rock solid. EAA had some real customer service issues during that fiasco, as they kept blaming the problem of bad shooter ammo.  It wasn't.

I don't think that many (or perhaps ANY) changes would be required to make a 97B frame work well with the 10mm round.
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2019, 12:18:04 PM »
it would be nice to see CZ in the 10mm platform and as you say, the 97B (D) might work.   Keeping fingers crossed that this happens sometime in the future.  Combining CZ's quality in with 10mm caliber, would definitely bring in shooters.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2019, 03:47:06 PM »
I think I would get back in to 10mm if CZ introduced a 97b in 10mm.
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2019, 11:01:41 PM »
Looking like the South will be the center of American firearms manufacture before long.
Beretta in Tennessee, Glock in Georgia, Remington in North Carolina, Taurus and Kel Tec  in Florida, CZ in Arkansas.....
List just keeps getting longer
DiamondBack in Florida... Palmetto State Armory in South Carolina....

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2019, 10:13:16 AM »
Looking like the South will be the center of American firearms manufacture before long.
Beretta in Tennessee, Glock in Georgia, Remington in North Carolina, Taurus and Kel Tec  in Florida, CZ in Arkansas.....
List just keeps getting longer
DiamondBack in Florida... Palmetto State Armory in South Carolina....

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STI in Texas, FNH in South Carolina, Remington in North Carolin, Alabama and Kentucky.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2019, 05:25:46 AM »
it would be nice to see CZ in the 10mm platform and as you say, the 97B (D) might work.   Keeping fingers crossed that this happens sometime in the future.  Combining CZ's quality in with 10mm caliber, would definitely bring in shooters.

From what I was told, they had to almost saw the frame down the middle length wise to make it work, but that conversation was several years ago. Still wanna Scorpion in 10mm...

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2019, 02:16:07 PM »
I think I remember that CZ Custom was developing a 10mm CZ a couple of years ago, but that one was based on a smaller frame (I think it was an SP-01 frame).  It had a front barrel bushing. 

That said, I don't think the 10mm barrel is that much different than the .45 barrel -- at least that was the case with the Witness guns -- so a 97B frame should NOT need that much modification.  Don't know about the smaller frame.  (I'm sure they could make a Tactical Sport that would handle a 10mm barrel.)

(Witness has a bunch of 10mm guns that use the larger Tanfoglio frame, and they are all very similar to the CZ-97B.   I had a Witness Sport Long Slide, which was a predecessor of the Witness Match, and it would run a 10mm Witness slide without an issue.  The 10mm mags had the same dimensions (length, width, etc.) as the .45 mags.)
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2019, 05:20:31 PM »
I wonder if you can get good prices on guns with flaws at the manufacturing site.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2019, 01:20:49 PM »
I've been told before that Kansas is just a distribution warehouse and not an actual plant. Was that incorrect? I know my P-10 C has a Kansas City stamp on the frame, though the upper says different.

I'm speculating here, but I think manufacturing at the KC location may have started with the P-10 line.

I can say for sure that my older P-10C very clearly says "Made in Czech Republic", whereas my brand new OR P-10F has a conspicuous absence of any such COO marking. Plus everyone on the internet says they are making the OR models in KC now.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2019, 05:01:29 PM »
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I wonder if you can get good prices on guns with flaws at the manufacturing site.

Parts are typically made in large lots -- and some parts will pass through a number of different production processes. There will often be quality control checks at each step of the processing, and any part that is flawed is generally found quickly and set aside and will NOT be incorporated into what would later become a finished gun.   

I suspect that's why you don't find factory "seconds" in the gun world -- I don't think I've ever seen ANY!)  It's about corporate image:  I'm sure that some gun makers don't want any "seconds" going out from the factory -- to potentially tarnish their reputation or the perceived quality of their weapons.