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Offline ssqman

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New CZ plant in Little Rock
« on: April 23, 2019, 12:25:51 PM »
So it looks like CZ is going to open a $90 million dollar manufacturing plant in Little Rock Arkansas. 569 jobs. Nice.
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2019, 04:01:18 PM »
Awesome news!!! Score another gun manufacturer for my home state, in addition to Walther / Umerex, Wilson Combat et al, plus Remington and the new SIG ammo plants. Hopefully, the Arkansas River Valley will become the next "Gun Valley."

Hope this will kickstart manufacturing of Bren pistols and rifles in the US (so that I can get my hands on them) as well as pistols, rifles and shotties.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2019, 06:14:28 PM »
Shoot. I was hoping they'd put it here in KC. Lots of manufacturing space sitting empty. Must have been some smoking tax advantages.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2019, 07:15:16 PM »
There is a CZ plant in Kansas City right now, where the US made P-10s are being built. I hadn't heard anything about this one in Arkansas, nice work.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2019, 08:01:01 PM »
They decided to build the new plant closer to CGW.  :) :)

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2019, 09:20:24 PM »
I think that the fallacy is the zero sum game, and this is not a zero sum game. First, we have no idea how many CZ people are going to make the move to Little Rock, as skilled people are not easy to find. Second, what will be left at the KC location, unknown, may or may not keep something going there, based on political happenings, will they need another place to continue doing other things.  No idea. Also, the tax breaks are exactly that, taxes that aren't paid, nobody else pays them, they are taxes that normally a corporation pays that are waived to a new outfit, sometimes for a certain number of years, so the new outfit can get it's financial feet underneath it to keep contributing money to the local and state economy.  If the political leaders are actually offering cash bonus incentives to move in, yes, that is taxpayer dollars, but are they offering cash or are they offering discounts on things? Remember taxes are a percentage based of gross, and the politicians have to balance, if we offer incentives here, when will the company and it's workers begin repaying those incentives? When will the tax base outweigh the initial discounts and waivers? Being a percentage of gross, the company has to think, we take these offers now, with a clear expectation we will begin to either repay cash incentives or ramp up to proper taxation, will the profit margin be sufficient to maintain a multi million dollar investment in place? Will the quality and education of the work force be what we need, or should we, ( I would!), take serious measures to bring in an experienced work force who can train those needed to fill the new positions? What production loss will we suffer during transition and training, can we absorb it, will the tax incentives be sufficient to offset the substantial debt, bot transitory and permanent, i.e., attached to "things".
There is much more going on than meets the eye, and that is my layman's fast glance.   Any company moving IN is a boon to the economy. Remember, workers get paychecks, and paychecks get spent.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2019, 09:49:26 PM »
From what I have heard about Uhersky-Brod, there is a labor shortage there that limits the ability of CZ to increase production. Expanding into new regions will help increase production beyond what U-B can handle. It means a good way to produce items for the US market (CZ-UB's single largest) that are difficult to import. They can also take advantage of better USA trade deals to export to countries in South America and Asia.

Win/Win and soon it will be time for a drive to Little Rock.
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2019, 11:16:08 PM »
Thanks for posting this. I've lived in Arkansas all my life but have not seen this announcement. Walther in Ft. Smith and CZ in Little Rock, I like it. Custom 1911 fellows in Berryville & Huntsville. :)

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2019, 12:41:03 PM »
Great for AR...and Great for CZ production
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2019, 01:03:48 PM »
Looking like the South will be the center of American firearms manufacture before long.
Beretta in Tennessee, Glock in Georgia, Remington in North Carolina, Taurus and Kel Tec  in Florida, CZ in Arkansas.....
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2019, 02:30:10 PM »
I think that the fallacy is the zero sum game, and this is not a zero sum game. First, we have no idea how many CZ people are going to make the move to Little Rock, as skilled people are not easy to find. Second, what will be left at the KC location, unknown, may or may not keep something going there, based on political happenings, will they need another place to continue doing other things.  No idea. Also, the tax breaks are exactly that, taxes that aren't paid, nobody else pays them, they are taxes that normally a corporation pays that are waived to a new outfit, sometimes for a certain number of years, so the new outfit can get it's financial feet underneath it to keep contributing money to the local and state economy.  If the political leaders are actually offering cash bonus incentives to move in, yes, that is taxpayer dollars, but are they offering cash or are they offering discounts on things? Remember taxes are a percentage based of gross, and the politicians have to balance, if we offer incentives here, when will the company and it's workers begin repaying those incentives? When will the tax base outweigh the initial discounts and waivers? Being a percentage of gross, the company has to think, we take these offers now, with a clear expectation we will begin to either repay cash incentives or ramp up to proper taxation, will the profit margin be sufficient to maintain a multi million dollar investment in place? Will the quality and education of the work force be what we need, or should we, ( I would!), take serious measures to bring in an experienced work force who can train those needed to fill the new positions? What production loss will we suffer during transition and training, can we absorb it, will the tax incentives be sufficient to offset the substantial debt, bot transitory and permanent, i.e., attached to "things".
There is much more going on than meets the eye, and that is my layman's fast glance.   Any company moving IN is a boon to the economy. Remember, workers get paychecks, and paychecks get spent.

A fine understanding of what goes on, Thank you for posting this.

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2019, 10:48:11 AM »
There is a CZ plant in Kansas City right now, where the US made P-10s are being built. I hadn't heard anything about this one in Arkansas, nice work.

I've been told before that Kansas is just a distribution warehouse and not an actual plant. Was that incorrect? I know my P-10 C has a Kansas City stamp on the frame, though the upper says different.
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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2019, 11:19:49 AM »
what it all comes down to many things is that many things gets passed onto the consumer. 

the companies will dangle moving to a place only to not pay any taxes and pass that onto the "employee".  the Employees cant opt out of paying taxes since everyone knows the people cant speak with one voice like a corporation can, so the bills gets pass onto the people.  For good or bad.

Our Beaverton is the corp home and mfg to many global companies.  When the city stated they needed to get more funding for the infrastructure for all of these corp were coming and building and wanted to start making the corp pay some, the corps threaten to pickup and move.  Guess who won?   When those corps have you by the balls, you wont be saying or doing much. 

SO i hope AR does their homework and make sure what salaries those employees are paid will cover the infrastructure for the time that company is there and in the future.   

if it was me, i would make sure some numbers were made into a legal document so that they dont stiff the city.   

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Re: New CZ plant in Little Rock
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2019, 11:53:45 AM »
Or you could do like NY city.
Tell the corporations to get bent watch them walk away and then watch your city and all the support businesses slowly die.

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