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Offline cousinmark

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New PCR :-)
« on: April 24, 2019, 08:16:26 AM »
   I've admired this model for a while. Although I didn't NEED one I fell prey to that "buy now" tab on Gun Broker a few weeks ago. I was able to get to the range with my new darling the other day and really like the PCR. I ran 100 rounds of Winchester 124gr NATO through both 15 round magazines without a hitch. The guide rod wound up warped? Is this normal? The first round of each magazine was fired DA to the head and the balance of each SA to the body. I need to get the feel of the DA trigger a little better :-) Target was at 7 yards.
...sorry, I'll see if I can get the pics to load
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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2019, 08:17:43 PM »
Congrats on your new toy. I also have a PCR, along with 3 other CZs. Great guns for sure. Keep working at it and you?ll master the DA/SA mechanism.
Like a midget at a urinal, I'll have to keep on my toes

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2019, 08:27:45 PM »
     Hiya and thx for your thread and congrats on the purchase. I've not refigured out how to get my pics from flicker here either. The factory rod gets a little bend in it, its perfectly fine. A few folks like spending a few dollars for a SS rod. Be well.

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2019, 09:09:10 PM »
Congrats on your new toy. I also have a PCR, along with 3 other CZs. Great guns for sure. Keep working at it and you?ll master the DA/SA mechanism.

Thanks, I've gotten much better with my 2075 BD in about 500 rounds. The curved stock trigger is new to me as well as the true DA but I'm committed. There's that saying about "10,000 of practice...".
On the PCR I think I'll ultimately be able to do better than with the Rami. I run the Rami with 10 round magazines, the way it's carried. The fuller grip and serrated trigger just feel "right". She's a keeper :-)

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2019, 09:37:00 PM »
     Hiya and thx for your thread and congrats on the purchase. I've not refigured out how to get my pics from flicker here either. The factory rod gets a little bend in it, its perfectly fine. A few folks like spending a few dollars for a SS rod. Be well.

Thanks Adrian, being there's no bushing in the slide for the guide rod, stainless rubbing on aluminum is probably asking for trouble? Any idea if there's a ballpark expectation for good function with stock rods? CZ's site offers an aluminum option but says it requires a round wire recoil spring? I didn't see that spring even offered? I ordered a few stock flat wire springs and an extra stock guide rod just to have.
On the photos I was trying to figure out how to select them from my desktop. After rooting around I found that that's not an option :-(  It's kind of odd that that's not an option, the site can limit the size of files that can be attached? The post I read about images said there was a bandwidth issue? Perhaps I'm not understanding, wouldn't be the first time. I don't post personal stuff on any photo sharing sites, doesn't seem like a great idea :-)

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2019, 01:47:29 PM »
I got one of the aluminum guide rods when I noticed that bend and also got new round wire springs from Wolff. The combo works great.

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2019, 02:40:19 PM »
    Good to hear, out of curiosity does Wolff offer several #s for the compact spring? Which are you running?

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2019, 05:49:00 PM »
I have two PCR's. One with 1.2k rounds through it and the other with 3.6k through it. Both have the original plastic guide rods. I haven't had any problems with the guide rods. I replaced the recoil spring on the 3.6k PCR at around 2800 rounds. Both of these PCR's are very accurate and reliable and the right size and weight for carry to me.

My Colt Government model doesn't have a guide rod at all.

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2019, 06:22:31 PM »
    Good to hear, out of curiosity does Wolff offer several #s for the compact spring? Which are you running?

They do offer different strengths. I started with a 16lb and it did make it easier to rack the slide (which can be tricky due to the smaller surface area since it rides inside the rails) but it only lasted about a year of less than weekly range trips so I replaced with a 17lb and so far, so good.   

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2019, 06:31:53 AM »
     Hiya and thx for your thread and congrats on the purchase. I've not refigured out how to get my pics from flicker here either. The factory rod gets a little bend in it, its perfectly fine. A few folks like spending a few dollars for a SS rod. Be well.

Thanks Adrian, being there's no bushing in the slide for the guide rod, stainless rubbing on aluminum is probably asking for trouble? Any idea if there's a ballpark expectation for good function with stock rods? CZ's site offers an aluminum option but says it requires a round wire recoil spring? I didn't see that spring even offered? I ordered a few stock flat wire springs and an extra stock guide rod just to have.

The stock plastic guide rod will warp a tad,that's normal. They will work just fine that way indefinitely. I like metal so I opted for a stainless guide rod.  There is no issue using a stainless guide rod in these guns. My PCR has had one in it for 10 years and 12,000 rounds now and you cannot see any abnormal wear to the frame.

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2019, 08:08:46 AM »
...Thank you for the input, at 12k I have no doubt you know the PCR. I dare say you qualify as a documented "master".  That being the case your thoughts carry more weight than an article I might turn up online. Sooooo, a few questions "oh wise one" if I may :-)
   Flat wire or round recoil springs, how long do you run them?
   Slide stop, ever blown one out?
   Firing pin retainer roll pin, do you run stock or solid? change at intervals? Why?
   Other springs? firing pin, extractor, firing pin block... I've seen the higher # options listed but wonder why?
   Extended firing pin, again why?
   I'll go ahead and leave the trigger and all that fun out of the mix...
...My plan is to keep everything stock for break-in and then maybe look at stripping the slide down for a deep clean, perhaps update any springs at that time? If it's actually worth doing? I'm not a proponent of second guessing the engineers but sometimes there are worthwhile improvements (that Wilson Combat flat wire recoil rig in my Kimber).  Like I said your input would be appreciated "oh wise one" :-)

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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2019, 08:53:24 AM »
...Thank you for the input, at 12k I have no doubt you know the PCR. I dare say you qualify as a documented "master".  That being the case your thoughts carry more weight than an article I might turn up online. Sooooo, a few questions "oh wise one" if I may :-)
   Flat wire or round recoil springs, how long do you run them?
   Slide stop, ever blown one out?
   Firing pin retainer roll pin, do you run stock or solid? change at intervals? Why?
   Other springs? firing pin, extractor, firing pin block... I've seen the higher # options listed but wonder why?
   Extended firing pin, again why?
   I'll go ahead and leave the trigger and all that fun out of the mix...
...My plan is to keep everything stock for break-in and then maybe look at stripping the slide down for a deep clean, perhaps update any springs at that time? If it's actually worth doing? I'm not a proponent of second guessing the engineers but sometimes there are worthwhile improvements (that Wilson Combat flat wire recoil rig in my Kimber).  Like I said your input would be appreciated "oh wise one" :-)
I'm changing out the recoil spring at 4k just as a matter of maintenance. Many do claim they are good well beyond that.
I have a spare slide stops for my CZ's as some have had failures but I have not. My PCR still has the original. My 75BD has north of 20k on it's original.
I have the CGW firing pin retaining pins in my CZ's since I also have the CGW short rest kit in my guns and the pin is part of the kit as well as the extended firing pin.
Your gun will last a lifetime in it's pure stock form but there are a multitude of options available for CZ's today to enhance performance and take these service grade guns to pure competition levels if that's what a person wants to do or something in between which is what I did using the CGW hammer and the short reset kit and the addition of the stainless guide rod.
I'd spend some time shooting your gun and get a real feel for it and then decide what upgrades you feel would personalize the gun to suit you best.
I will tell you this and I've said it many times. The PCR for ME is the perfect all around handgun. I own many handguns both before and after the PCR and there are many of them that I REALLY like but none have been able to knock my PCR off it's pedestal.


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Re: New PCR :-)
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2019, 09:22:50 AM »
...Thank you for the input, at 12k I have no doubt you know the PCR. I dare say you qualify as a documented "master".  That being the case your thoughts carry more weight than an article I might turn up online. Sooooo, a few questions "oh wise one" if I may :-)
   Flat wire or round recoil springs, how long do you run them?
   Slide stop, ever blown one out?
   Firing pin retainer roll pin, do you run stock or solid? change at intervals? Why?
   Other springs? firing pin, extractor, firing pin block... I've seen the higher # options listed but wonder why?
   Extended firing pin, again why?
   I'll go ahead and leave the trigger and all that fun out of the mix...
...My plan is to keep everything stock for break-in and then maybe look at stripping the slide down for a deep clean, perhaps update any springs at that time? If it's actually worth doing? I'm not a proponent of second guessing the engineers but sometimes there are worthwhile improvements (that Wilson Combat flat wire recoil rig in my Kimber).  Like I said your input would be appreciated "oh wise one" :-)
I'm changing out the recoil spring at 4k just as a matter of maintenance. Many do claim they are good well beyond that.
I have a spare slide stops for my CZ's as some have had failures but I have not. My PCR still has the original. My 75BD has north of 20k on it's original.
I have the CGW firing pin retaining pins in my CZ's since I also have the CGW short rest kit in my guns and the pin is part of the kit as well as the extended firing pin.
Your gun will last a lifetime in it's pure stock form but there are a multitude of options available for CZ's today to enhance performance and take these service grade guns to pure competition levels if that's what a person wants to do or something in between which is what I did using the CGW hammer and the short reset kit and the addition of the stainless guide rod.
I'd spend some time shooting your gun and get a real feel for it and then decide what upgrades you feel would personalize the gun to suit you best.
I will tell you this and I've said it many times. The PCR for ME is the perfect all around handgun. I own many handguns both before and after the PCR and there are many of them that I REALLY like but none have been able to knock my PCR off it's pedestal.
...Thanks for the follow up "oh wise one". I appreciate the advice, other than the feel and "pointability". I think a big part of my intrigue with classic CZs has to do with the mechanical design. All kinds of new stuff for me to learn about and tinker with.
Thank you again for the reply :-)