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...slide stops???
« on: April 24, 2019, 04:39:01 PM »
    I'm wondering if anyone has had a failure with this part? Perhaps it's "urban legend" but I've heard it's something to be aware of. One article I read referred to it as the "Achilles Tendon" of the CZ75.
    Any thoughts???

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Re: ...slide stops???
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2019, 04:42:08 PM »
    I'm wondering if anyone has had a failure with this part? Perhaps it's "urban legend" but I've heard it's something to be aware of. One article I read referred to it as the "Achilles Tendon" of the CZ75.
    Any thoughts???

It is an engineered weak point to my understanding, it breaks to protect the barrel lugs. It?s a wear item that should routinely be replaced on comp guns.  I?d at least have spares but I replace yearly on my competition gun.


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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2019, 04:55:27 PM »
    Thanks ebb 1975,
    A smith at CZ USA had mentioned it "could" be a problem but said not always. I have a spare for my 2075 BD, my EDC. I don't mind keeping wear items within the recommended change interval. I haven't come across a reference for for the slide stop though? Do they tend to just "blow" or are there any signs to watch for?

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2019, 05:30:00 PM »
I call BS on that for sure.

I have an extra in my bag because I have extra stuff but have not ever needed it in the 3 years I have had it in my bag. I shoot a lot so its not like my guns don't get a work out it that the article you read is an exaggeration.

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Re: ...slide stops???
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 05:52:01 PM »
     Hiya cousin mark and thx for your thread. In almost 10yr shooting mostly cz's,and the slide stop has broken once in a shadow sp-01,and twice in two different tactical sports. Of guns bought new the TS's always came with an extra two slide stops. So I suppose cz is at least that aware of the fact. I shoot mostly reg velocity ammo and never reloads. Never had a slide stop break in a gun that also gets fed a little HD/plus p ammo. Some competition shooters here using power factor ammo can chime in. Didn't keep a spare one till it broke,but always have a spare now,and always take at least 3 guns an outing.
     Suppose you can go to the forum lobby and search the breakage. And you might lose a stage if it happens in competition. But no worry about the slide landing in your forehead, part of the broken stop will just lock up the gun,a symptom similar to how sudden failure of a trigger spring. If you don't have the proper tools you can scratch up areas pretty bag, think rubber tipped needle nose and non making punch got mine sorted out. I've not heard it being a urban legend story yet. Its about as legendary as a motor going out in a vacuum cleaner, or car not starting. Be well.

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2019, 06:21:36 PM »
    Thanks ebb 1975,
    A smith at CZ USA had mentioned it "could" be a problem but said not always. I have a spare for my 2075 BD, my EDC. I don't mind keeping wear items within the recommended change interval. I haven't come across a reference for for the slide stop though? Do they tend to just "blow" or are there any signs to watch for?
Not really, ?ive heard? they are rated for 12-15000 rds.  That said I have not verified.  I have seen them break, heard of it happening to many on all of the CZ pages I?m on so I just avoid it by replacing yearly on my comp guns.  I do not do that on range toys and HD gun, not necessary.  I find it hard to believe it?s BS when a TS/TSO/Czechmate comes with 3 of them in the box.  If they didn?t wear/break why would CZ do that?


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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 06:42:32 PM »
I have an extra just in case for each of my CZ's but I have never had one fail. My 75BD has north of 22,000 rnds on it's original slide stop.

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Re: ...slide stops???
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 07:06:46 PM »
The biggest reason I had seen for the failures of the slide stops are the ammo loads. +p, open major gun and limited gun (Czechmate and tactical sports) tend to have the most occurrences of broken slide stops due to the high power factor of the ammo used.

The amount of rounds shot though doesn?t not have much especially if they?re just bunny-fart loads or factory rounds compared to the 165+ power factor these guns endure during competition. This high load and high round count takes their toll on the slide stop to protect the frame and slide.

So unless your EDC or regular CZ gun doesn?t go through these high power and high round count scenario, you pretty much don?t have to worry about it. One of the guys in our club broke a couple of slide pins on his czechmate shooting a couple of hundred rounds of 172PF ammo three saturdays a month during our matches not counting his Live Fire Practice in a six month period.

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2019, 09:48:48 PM »
    Thanks for the input everyone. Like I mentioned this Rami is an EDC so she won't be seeing the action your competition pistols get. My normal carry ammo is factory Federal Tactical 124gr HST. I believe it's a hair hotter than normal range ammo but not in the +P realm. For break-in I've run 500 or rounds or so of Winchester 124gr NATO, again not quite +P. The Rami has smoothed out really nicely already :-) I'll probably keep a slide stop with a low round count installed for carry and use another at the range, see how it holds up? That's basically the plan of attack for the recoil assembly as well.
I'm planning on using NATO ammo for breaking in the new PCR I picked up last week as well. That PCR is one nice handful, wow. Kinda the Scarlet Johansson of pistols :-) I have a Kimber PRO CDP II 9mm, another fine pistol, I can honestly say the PCR feels better in my hand :-)

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Re: ...slide stops???
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2019, 10:06:17 PM »
Just replace it every year for peace of mind. It?s a cheap insurance to ensure your EDC Pistol will always perform/function reliably.

I replace the slide stops on my Shadow 2 and pins on my TSO and czechmate every year and just keep the old one as spare just in case the slide stop or pin breaks during a match.

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2019, 10:26:24 PM »
     Hiya, ahhh yes Scarlet, a beautiful handful we enjoy playing with,and she costs us lots of money. Be well.

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2019, 09:40:03 AM »
    Thanks ebb 1975,
    A smith at CZ USA had mentioned it "could" be a problem but said not always. I have a spare for my 2075 BD, my EDC. I don't mind keeping wear items within the recommended change interval. I haven't come across a reference for for the slide stop though? Do they tend to just "blow" or are there any signs to watch for?
Not really, ?ive heard? they are rated for 12-15000 rds.  That said I have not verified.  I have seen them break, heard of it happening to many on all of the CZ pages I?m on so I just avoid it by replacing yearly on my comp guns.  I do not do that on range toys and HD gun, not necessary.  I find it hard to believe it?s BS when a TS/TSO/Czechmate comes with 3 of them in the box.  If they didn?t wear/break why would CZ do that?


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Why would they do it? Th TS TSO and Czchmate are all competition guns...?..if one does break during a match there would be internet b!tching to no end.....so they put them in. simple insurance for good press. Same reason there is a spare tire in your car. They rarely if ever go flat but if by chance they do, you got it covered. Its not an admission or guarantee a tire will go flat it's just there so you don't get stuck if one does.

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Re: ...slide stops???
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2019, 10:01:29 PM »
    Thanks ebb 1975,
    A smith at CZ USA had mentioned it "could" be a problem but said not always. I have a spare for my 2075 BD, my EDC. I don't mind keeping wear items within the recommended change interval. I haven't come across a reference for for the slide stop though? Do they tend to just "blow" or are there any signs to watch for?
Not really, ?ive heard? they are rated for 12-15000 rds.  That said I have not verified.  I have seen them break, heard of it happening to many on all of the CZ pages I?m on so I just avoid it by replacing yearly on my comp guns.  I do not do that on range toys and HD gun, not necessary.  I find it hard to believe it?s BS when a TS/TSO/Czechmate comes with 3 of them in the box.  If they didn?t wear/break why would CZ do that?


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Why would they do it? Th TS TSO and Czchmate are all competition guns...?..if one does break during a match there would be internet b!tching to no end.....so they put them in. simple insurance for good press. Same reason there is a spare tire in your car. They rarely if ever go flat but if by chance they do, you got it covered. Its not an admission or guarantee a tire will go flat it's just there so you don't get stuck if one does.

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Shadow models are by far the most used and sold competition guns that CZ sells, if your theory is correct you think they would put an extra one in the box on them too.


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Re: ...slide stops???
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2019, 02:39:12 PM »
I've had a slide stop break on my old 75B limited gun. I was running old worn out springs with 130ish PF reloads. Very light shooting 124gns PD HPs.
It locked the gun up until I could get it out and replaced it with a stop from my SP-01 (which they shared a few weeks) until I got an extra ext. slidestop.
Yes it does happen, but as my 75B was an old milsurp turn in, who knows how many rounds were on it. I put ~ 3k on it before it broke.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2019, 11:20:50 AM »
    Thanks ebb 1975,
    A smith at CZ USA had mentioned it "could" be a problem but said not always. I have a spare for my 2075 BD, my EDC. I don't mind keeping wear items within the recommended change interval. I haven't come across a reference for for the slide stop though? Do they tend to just "blow" or are there any signs to watch for?
Not really, ?ive heard? they are rated for 12-15000 rds.  That said I have not verified.  I have seen them break, heard of it happening to many on all of the CZ pages I?m on so I just avoid it by replacing yearly on my comp guns.  I do not do that on range toys and HD gun, not necessary.  I find it hard to believe it?s BS when a TS/TSO/Czechmate comes with 3 of them in the box.  If they didn?t wear/break why would CZ do that?


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Why would they do it? Th TS TSO and Czchmate are all competition guns...?..if one does break during a match there would be internet b!tching to no end.....so they put them in. simple insurance for good press. Same reason there is a spare tire in your car. They rarely if ever go flat but if by chance they do, you got it covered. Its not an admission or guarantee a tire will go flat it's just there so you don't get stuck if one does.

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Shadow models are by far the most used and sold competition guns that CZ sells, if your theory is correct you think they would put an extra one in the box on them too.


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