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Offline Soju n Lime

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Modifying a 1985 75?
« on: July 09, 2019, 05:06:44 PM »
Friend has a CZ 75 stamped MADE IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA. The oval is stamped 85.

Has the box and original grips; Pachmayrs were on it when he got it.
Black finish is worn in places.

He used to shoot it a lot, then moved to other guns. Having shot Shadow 1 and 2, he’s thinking rather than buying new it’d be less expensive to have new sights, new finish, checkering front and back on his existing CZ. Maybe grips and a thorough going over from a CZ specialist.

Assuming it has value to affect (CZs are inexpensive already), will that affect its value?

Is he further ahead to buy a new one with those features and keep this as is? Or a newer used one to modify?

Thank you
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Offline Blackwatch

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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 05:38:30 PM »
1985 most likely has the black enamel finish (which in not durable) and a staked front sight...so replacing the sights and doing the other mods would  be a fun project, especially if the long term intent is to keep the pistol. However, the changes may cost as much as the gun itself is worth and would not be recouped upon selling (i.e you won't get back what you put in to it...my opinion).

Might be worth finding a rough '92 (or later) with a pinned fron sight to modify,

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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2019, 10:30:05 AM »
Please forgive my ignorance -- Why a 92?



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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2019, 11:33:00 AM »
  The front sight on the older models is stakes into place through the barrel bushing. They can’t be easily replaced, though the slide can be modified. On many of these older guns that show up from time to time as surplus the front sight is loose or missing.
  The later models have the current front sight design and are compatible with current CZ front sights. As such they make somewhat easier project guns for upgrades and refinishing. ‘92 isn’t necessarily the magic number as CZ probably just started phasing out the older style around then. I have a ‘92 model with the older style front sight.
  As Blackwatch has indicated, the value certainly won’t increase commensurate with the cost of modifications or refinishing. If your friend plans to keep it and would like it dressed up, he should go for it. As to how it may affect value, that would depend somewhat of the quality of work put into it. In the end it’s a used ‘92 that’s either been well cared for or hacked. IMO most CZ’s are top notch utility pieces, not barbeque guns (with exceptions, of course!). 
  As for he front sight on the ‘85, CGW has done a couple for me. They remove the old front sight and then make a cross-cut dovetail for a standard Novak. They also thread the old stake post hole. The machine work is about $75 and a Dawson FO front sight is about $40. Only the slide is sent so it can go via USPS. The new one is fitted and secured with a tiny setscrew from inside the bbl bushing.  They told me they will no longer modify these to current CZ style as it is too rough on tooling.  They will fit and install the sight for a bit more as well, or just send the slide and sight parts if refinishing is the plan.
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Offline Soju n Lime

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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2019, 01:39:10 PM »
Interesting -- thank you.

Knowing nothing except what I read in a couple of interweb posts about how nice the 80s triggers are, I was concerned that having it modified might lower its value. 
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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2019, 02:26:12 PM »
Interesting -- thank you.

Knowing nothing except what I read in a couple of interweb posts about how nice the 80s triggers are, I was concerned that having it modified might lower its value.

Excellent reference material on pre-B's can be found in the forum thanks to Psyop96!
 https://czfirearms.us/index.php?board=99.0

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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2019, 04:07:41 PM »
Friend has a CZ 75 stamped MADE IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA. The oval is stamped 85.

Has the box and original grips; Pachmayrs were on it when he got it.
Black finish is worn in places.

He used to shoot it a lot, then moved to other guns. Having shot Shadow 1 and 2, he’s thinking rather than buying new it’d be less expensive to have new sights, new finish, checkering front and back on his existing CZ. Maybe grips and a thorough going over from a CZ specialist.

Assuming it has value to affect (CZs are inexpensive already), will that affect its value?

Is he further ahead to buy a new one with those features and keep this as is? Or a newer used one to modify?

Thank you

Usually ANY mods to a gun will affect its value.

what your friend needs to ask is will that value go UP or DOWN.  Most people want MORE money when they sell something so its how it goes.

If your friend doesnt care about money, then do what he wants with the gun and live with the changes.

Since the gun has been shot (and this will affect value too) and the finish as some dings (this will also affect value) then i would just do what he wants and have fun.  He has the box and stuff and that will also affect the value. 

Something that was pointed out to me when i started to collect toys.  "buy what i can afford to buy to fill that niche" then start looking for better specimens and "upgrade" and sell the other versions.   So even with the mods to the gun, if someone wanted that type of gun and was starting out in their collection, it would fill a niche.  Since it wouldnt be complete and OEM, then it will depend on the person collecting. 

If it was me and he had it for sale after al the work was done, i would just look at it as a "used" CZ 75 with some work/mods done.    If he decided to use a puke/barf green, hot pink or "look at me red" color and do some funky mods, then i would probably stay away from it.   If it sells, is a different story. Im more practical in my toys and life and when you "personalize" something like a gun, it can rub me the wrong way depending on what was done.   If that was the last of its kind on earth and it was "personalize" i would have to really ponder if i wanted that in my collection or just pass on it.  Price would be a really big factor on that too.

But he should do what he wants for whatever purpose he wants and dont look back.  If he cant get a dime for the gun when he wants to sell it thats the chances he takes for the mods.  Also, many times you dont get your money out of the mods you put into a gun.  If you are lucky, you do.


Offline briang2ad

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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2019, 10:41:41 PM »
You can get into the $250-300 range VERY quickly with the sights.  Call CGW or CZ Custom and listen.  When you spend the money to mill, you might as well get decent sights.  I chose not to.

If a PreB is pristine, and you won't shoot it much, you MIGHT want to keep the enamel finish, box, manual, etc. - IF you are a collector and value that sort of thing.  If you shoot it you will chip the paint, and then you WILL want a refinish.  OR, if it is a blued or parked gun, it is worth it to baby it and shoot it and keep it as is - they are quite nice. 

Regular PreBs (not short rails guns) are not a big deal, but they do have good value - and BTW, I think ALL the parts swap with a new B model except the safety and hammers.  I just installed a NEW B trigger bar in an '88, and it fixed a terribly stacking trigger. 

If you have the funds, I would refinish as in the above scenario.  My sights were good enough on my '88, so I chose to forgo $250. 


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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2019, 10:44:09 AM »
I'll provide the counter point.

"pre B" 75s are drying up, when was the last time you saw one in the for sale section?  Generally, the ones FS on GB are trashed, beat and a mess, in need of reworking.  Thats all called; a clue.

If you want to cut one up, get a trashed one.  If this one is in reasonable condition (not perfect) keep it as an example of a great pistol and enjoy shooting it as it was made (or sell it).  If its a modern gun you want then get one, they are dirt cheap for what you get.  Cutting a reasonable condition pre-b is taking one more of a dwindling number out of circulation.  It will, guaranteed, reduce the value, thats not open to discussion.  Only whether that matters to the owner.

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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2019, 03:59:17 PM »
Sure, he could stick skateboard tape on the front and back straps, instead of permanently disfiguring those.

He can leave it unfinished. A worn gun finish suggests shootability and reliability, which having shot it, I know his gun has.

Thing is, he doesn't enjoy shooting it that much, because the sights are garbage.

If changing the sights to something usable reduces its value, then the questions become how much value does a worn finish 1985 CZ have? Will that value be lost forever with new sights?

 

 
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Re: Modifying a 1985 75?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2019, 04:45:10 PM »
Sure, he could stick skateboard tape on the front and back straps, instead of permanently disfiguring those.

If it has the early enamel finish, the skateboard tape  may remove all of the enamel finish where the tape was in contact.   To me that would be "permanent" since the finish would then need to be redone.

Thing is, he doesn't enjoy shooting it that much, because the sights are garbage.

If changing the sights to something usable reduces its value, then the questions become how much value does a worn finish 1985 CZ have? Will that value be lost forever with new sights?

Not sure if the front sight is pinned or machined. If its pinned then swapping f/b sights is a no brainer.  I would just keep the OEM and if he decides to sell/trade it in the future, at least the OEM parts are still there.   

If the front is machined, then he can swap back sights with no issue.  but again ,keep the OEM.   As far as what he would do with the front sight?   




 

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