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Offline Rcher

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Speer/Lawman 124gr - why my groups are bigger?
« on: July 22, 2019, 02:51:32 PM »
I heard a lot of good feedback about Speer/Lawman 124gr - but I'm having consistently bigger (worse) groups with this ammo.
Tried on different handguns, in particular on Beretta 92fs.

I'm very good with Blazer Brass 115gr/124gr, S&B 124gr, even with S&B JHP 115gr which is considered hotter.
Nut no way with Speer/Lawman :(

To clarify - I'm talking about 7 yards distance.

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Re: Speer/Lawman 124gr - why my groups are bigger?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2019, 03:16:43 PM »
Different guns are -- different.

All my 9MM CZ pistols really like my 115 grain reloads (115 grain PD hollow point and Blue Dot powder) and the Federal 115 grain FMJ ammo I get in the 100 round boxes from Walmart.

My new M&P 2.0 5" is lousy with that same ammo.  But, it seems to shoot the Winchester 124 grain FMJ NATO rounds much better than anything else I've tried so far.  The CZs shoot the 115 grain ammo better.

It's great when all your pistols like the same load.  It sort of sux when you have to have different loads for different guns.
I stopped carrying the SIG 556R.  SIG changed models and couple/three times and stopped supporting it with parts.  So, I stopped supporting SIG.  Back to the tried/true AR15 Carbine.

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Re: Speer/Lawman 124gr - why my groups are bigger?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2019, 04:42:03 PM »
Well, I have worse results with Speer/Lawman 124gr on all of my guns: Beretta 92fs and two CZ clones :(
So, it looks like a bad bucket of ammo.


P.S. I generally prefer 124gr and S&B is my favorite. But found that "black box" Blazer Brass 115gr is also decent ammo. On all my guns.

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Re: Speer/Lawman 124gr - why my groups are bigger?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2019, 08:29:23 PM »
Just my musings....

Self defense ammo needs a certain velocity to make the hollow point do it's job effectively. So maybe Speer opted for the needed velocity which was way more or way less than the bullet wanted. Remember, self defense ammo needs to check off several boxes like expansion, penetration, muzzle flash, reliable feeding, etc before they get to accuracy.

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