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Offline aflevine

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New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« on: August 03, 2019, 07:01:00 PM »
Took my new P-10C out to the range for the first time this afternoon.  It shot flawlessly.  However, when the slide is back and I put in a magazine, it doesn't consistently close the slide to chamber a round as designed.  It does it about 20% of the time.  I tried very consciously to insert the magazines forcefully.  That didn't solve the problem.  I also hit the bottom of seated magazines to see if that might solve the issue.  I'd welcome any thoughts and advice please.
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Re: New P-10C not consistently automatically chambering
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2019, 08:08:34 PM »
My P10C sometimes won’t load when I insert a mag forcefully but I rarely load it that way I just manually do it.


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Re: New P-10C not consistently automatically chambering
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2019, 08:13:11 PM »
Where did you read that the gun is designed to "auto forward"? I know some guns do this but I DO NOT like it and it has been documented where some guns that do this can and have failed to chamber a round.
I'll stick to training with the slingshot method.
If you really must have the gun behave this way I know some have reconfigured their slide stops to encourage auto forwarding.

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Re: New P-10C not consistently automatically chambering
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2019, 08:16:13 PM »
I have x5 cz p10c and not all of them do it. But the ones that do get easier with more use

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Re: New P-10C not consistently automatically chambering
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2019, 08:25:10 PM »
Thought it was a feature.  However, from the manual, it clearly indicates that chambering a round when the slide is locked open is accomplished by thumbing down the slide stop or racking the slide; it should not occur automatically.  I'm fine with that, as long as that's how it consistently functions.  It's the inconsistency that has me stumped.  As tight as the slide stop engages, I can't see anything that might cause it to disengage automatically.  In fact, that engagement is so tight that I can't thumb down the slide stop from one side.  I'm thinking of polishing the spot where it engages, but don't want to cause an issue.  Do you guys polish that spot?

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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2019, 08:35:23 PM »
I have had guns auto forward once and it never happens again. I just don’t think about it
For me I don’t polish anything. I shoot it as is. If a malfunction occurs I know it’s nothing I did to it trying to modify it.


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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2019, 10:01:44 PM »
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Where did you read that the gun is designed to "auto forward"? I know some guns do this but I DO NOT like it and it has been documented where some guns that do this can and have failed to chamber a round.

I'll agree with you that I've never seen any user's manual or owner's guide that say that a gun was designed to "auto forward."

That said, many (perhaps almost every} high level competitive shooters relish that behavior in their guns, and many of them work on their guns so that the slide "auto-forwarding" is a counted-on function.

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I'll stick to training with the slingshot method.
If you really must have the gun behave this way I know some have reconfigured their slide stops to encourage auto forwarding.
That is not what many being trained nowadays are being taught to do.  Ditto the U.S. Armed Forces. 

The U.S. Department of Defense changed its handgun training in 2002 or 2003, when it started getting reports of problems in Afghanistan and Iraq with "slingshoted" guns not oroperly going into battery  under combat condition.  If the didn't go into battery, you had to slam it forward or rack the slide again.  Racking the slide again using the slingshot method could leave you with the same problem. 

The Department of Defense apparently  now teaches shooters in handgun training to use of the slide stop/slide release (use the term of your choice) to let the slide go forward.  Kahr also warns against slingshotting, noting that with a Kahr weapon, it can cause feed issues.   

An acquaintance who was an instructor for Special Ops troops at Ft. Bragg tolc md about that change in the handgun training program.
    Part of the problem may have been due to the fact that many of the shooters were wearing gloves, necessary because of the harsh environment (hot or very cold, and sometimes very rocky.)
It was once argued that slingshoting was a gross motor skill, while using the slide release was a fine motor skill, but they've since found that BOTH methods take more attention to detail than previosuly thought and both are, arguably, fine motor skills.   But so is aligning the gun on the target and pressing the trigger if you expect to hit what you're aiming at. 

You can use several fingers of the off-hand (together a bit like a claw) to press the slide release/slide stop lever as you push the magazine into the grip, and using THAT method allows the shooter to keep the gun UP and pointed at or near the target.  Slingshoting (if by that term you mean grabbing the rear of the slide as you would a slingshot pouch and pulling it back and then releasing it) forces you to move the gun a lot more (and farther  from the target) than other methods, and it can also be slower.

Some shooters use the hand-over method, putting their hand on the top rear of the slide and pushing/slamming the slide back forcefully as a way of releasing it, and that can work very well with many guns, and like pressing the slide stop, allows the shooter to keep the gun up and on or nearly on target.   (The Department of Defense didn't teach that method because the handover method often decocked the Beretta/m9 service pistol.)
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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2019, 10:17:33 PM »
There is nothing mechanical like a lever or button that drops the slide when you insert a mag.  It's simply the shock, jarring the slide enough to allow the slide stop lever to snap down under spring tension.  If you want more consistent auto-forwarding, you can bend the slide stop lever down a bit to put more downward pressure on the lever.  But bend it too far and the slide won't lock back consistently on empty.  My competition Glock 34 had an 11# recoil spring, so it did't take much of an impact to jar the slide loose.  The slide would drop even when gently seating a magazine.

All this is moot however since I use the "opposing forces" method for slide-lock reloads.  It's fast and only takes little bit of practice to get dialed in.  What's great is that it doesn't rely on an oversized slide stop lever to work.  Give it a try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B1WiWAH01s

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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2019, 10:24:21 PM »
Thank you for those thoughtful responses and advice.  Some great new muscle memory to develop.  What a great forum!

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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2019, 06:12:34 PM »
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All this is moot however since I use the "opposing forces" method for slide-lock reloads.  It's fast and only takes little bit of practice to get dialed in.  What's great is that it doesn't rely on an oversized slide stop lever to work.  Give it a try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B1WiWAH01s

Earl, that opposing forces reload YouTube you shared was just what the doctor ordered!  Today, I did mirror polish where the slide catch bar and the face of the slide face lock up when the slide is back.  I'm fine with polishing, but don't have the confidence to change the angle of that slide catch bar.  The polishing there literally made no difference, which was worth knowing.  Oiled and slick, it's still very positive engagement, which is perfectly overcome with the opposing forces reload.  While I wonder if reducing my recoil spring would make this easier, it now will go into battery consistently.  So, very happy!  Just have to hone the muscle memory around where to place my thumb.  Hooking over the middle of the slide release seems to work best.

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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2019, 10:34:31 PM »
Both my po7 and PO 9 after doing all suggested polishing and maybe a little light sandpaper (1500 grit )on the slide stop release where it meets the slide, and after several thousands of  rounds , my slide consistently will auto forward.
Many on the Forum don't like it doing that but in some cases you may not have a choice. With all that said you should still be ready if it doesn't, to slingshot it closed.YMMV
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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2019, 09:02:20 PM »
Another method for handling a stiff P-10 slide stop is to place the side of your trigger finger on one side of the slide stop, and your thumb on the other side.  Press down with your trigger finger and your thumb and the slide stop will release the slide effortlessly.  It takes a little practise, but it will be second nature.  The same technique works on most pistols with an ambidextrous slide stop. 
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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2019, 02:06:52 PM »
Another method for handling a stiff P-10 slide stop is to place the side of your trigger finger on one side of the slide stop, and your thumb on the other side.  Press down with your trigger finger and your thumb and the slide stop will release the slide effortlessly.  It takes a little practise, but it will be second nature.  The same technique works on most pistols with an ambidextrous slide stop.
I don't think you're understanding what the OP'S situation is. When the slide is open and he puts in a magazine the slide slam shut. I personally don't think it's a bad thing both my po7 and po9 do the same thing consistently.
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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2019, 05:35:35 PM »
Another method for handling a stiff P-10 slide stop is to place the side of your trigger finger on one side of the slide stop, and your thumb on the other side.  Press down with your trigger finger and your thumb and the slide stop will release the slide effortlessly.  It takes a little practise, but it will be second nature.  The same technique works on most pistols with an ambidextrous slide stop.
I don't think you're understanding what the OP'S situation is. When the slide is open and he puts in a magazine the slide slam shut. I personally don't think it's a bad thing both my po7 and po9 do the same thing consistently.

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Re: New P-10C not consistently chambering when the slide is open
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2019, 05:45:49 AM »
We teach the hand over slide to let the slide forward. Slingshot is a big no-no. We are taught not to use the slide stop because over time the corners round on our range guns and they won't stay open. Seriously, that's the only reason. I do both, depending. The P-10Cs will both let me use the slide stop - the P-10S said "no way", so it is hand over.