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Offline Indy_Tim

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Re: Mass shootings-What is wrong with our civilization?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2019, 08:36:09 PM »
Our greatest moments of growth come through failure and learning.  What happens when kids are no longer allowed to fail?  No growth.  To me, that explains a big part of why we have millennials throwing temper tantrums like children on a regular basis and could be a part of why some explode into cowardly killers.

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2019, 11:11:41 PM »
Based on data from the natural-born British East African's 2013 CDC study on gun violence:


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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2019, 07:05:02 AM »
That’s a very informational graphic..... that every single voter needs to read and understand.

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2019, 02:14:43 AM »
Why do we have mass shootings? Drug abuse forced on kids by doctors, (Ritalin, etc.), broken homes, noone is ever held accountable for anything, always someone else's fault. That last is most prevalent in crimes involving misused firearms - everyone who did nothing is to blame, not the murderer.
Si Vis is right about that movie, it truly showcases what the loony Left really thinks of law abiding gun owners and conservatives. Look ta the hatred shown, hunting down people with a different political bent than your own, reminds me of Hitler and his cronies hunting jews, except modern times people in the US can fight back. I think that part of the movie is supposed to be these "deplorables" fighting back but the preise is still deeply, horrifying utterly flawed and twisted, the biggest ugly sig of the times as they are today.
How do we fix today's shooting galleries? No easy solution exists, but my suggestion is, for starters, removing "gun free zones". Darn near every mass murder is in a criminal empowerment zone. How many times must we watch helpless people gunned down before we realize that being helpless is not the answer? Eliminate "participation" trophies and let kids grow up as kids, finding out Santa Clause isn't real, and if Timmy runs faster than you, he deserves to win first place in the race. Dial back the mass diagnosis of everyone is mentally ill and everyone needs medication to take the edges off the world, especially children. How in the name of little green pigs did we make it so far as a human race without all of these meds? We learned how.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2019, 12:38:02 PM »
finding out Santa Clause isn't real.......................................................



Despite the above I do agree with the rest 100%
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2019, 08:28:39 AM »



And in Philthy last night... CLEARLY what is needed, is more high capacity, assault idiot control!  :o

Philadelphia police pelted with objects, taunted during harrowing shootout, standoff: reports

https://www.foxnews.com/us/crowd-of-onlookers-taunt-police-during-philadelphia-standoff-reports

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Onlookers were seen taunting and throwing things at Philadelphia police Wednesday night amid a wild shootout and subsequent standoff that saw six cops wounded, and video posted online shows one woman shoving a police officer making his way to the scene.

Philadelphia’s KYW-TV reporter Alexandria Hoff described on Twitter Wednesday night how a crowd of people bordering the blocked off active shooter scene allegedly harassed officers.

"I mentioned this at 10 and since I was harassed during that live shot, I’ll mention it here, too," Hoff said on Twitter. "A major moment of disappointment this evening was watching a crowd of people taunt police officers, laughing and yelling at them in the midst of the gunfire"...

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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2019, 05:09:28 AM »
That is disgusting.  >:(

One thing that isn't brought up is the fact that while these high profile events are all the news, your statistical chance of being killed by a rifle of ANY kind in almost every state is far less than being beaten to death by hands and feet. 2017 California had 37 people murdered by rifles of every type...and 103 people killed by hands and feet. Arizona, with a law that says you can carry a RIFLE concealed without permit, registration of license, had 8 people murdered with rifles in 2017, and 12 beaten to death.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/tables/table-20

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2019, 08:24:08 AM »
For true "mass-shooters" -- typically young males who get a gun (maybe an AR, AK, or maybe just a pistol) and go to a public place in someway associated with their failure in life, and shoot up the place, with little regard to what happens to themselves -- the answer might lie in their brain chemistry.   

Many of these young males have been sedated or tranquilized throughout their school years by psychotropic drugs, administered to make them easier to handle.   It is well known that these drugs change the brain's chemistry, and stopping taking them, or taking them intermittently, can cause a suicidal impulse in some people -- and sometimes, a murderous impulse. 

These young men, the mass-shooters, are typically from single-parent families and after high school they just drift along, living in a crummy apartment or someone's garage, failing at everything they attempt, and presumably NOT taking their meds on a regular basis.  All of that, plus the factors mentioned above -- a school system that passed them along rather than teaching them anything, a giant void in their lives filled by computer games (typically about shooting people), and vague discontent and alienation from either the extreme left or right wing via social media -- and a small number end up choosing to shoot a bunch of people. 

Young men who have discipline problems or learning problems in school should be given more attention by teachers who can relate to them and act as positive role models, more phys ed, more specialized training in a trade or outside occupation (e.g., not more classes designed to prepare them for college), a limited diet of computer time (how about 1 hour a day?), and maybe a lot fewer psychotropic drugs.  When they graduate from school their meds should be monitored and deliberately tapered off -- the shrinks who administer these things are responsible for these outcomes and should stay in the game until the kid reaches some form of maturity.  These kids should have a shot at a decent job, too -- I don't know how that would work, but if I faced a future life of working in fast-food restaurants I might give up hope too. 

There are a lot of kids like this and only a few turn out to be mass shooters - a larger number kill themselves, though, directly or indirectly. 

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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2019, 04:43:56 PM »
The recent poll results are very troubling, and they come from Fox News.
I usually don't trust polls, but this one is very detailed - and contains a lot of "food for thoughts"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-august-14?fbclid=IwAR00iKWGyPhorrrnbj_Gg02parYswdQK31ofr9irixh4y0GY0gMRFVlB01M

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2019, 06:38:15 PM »
The recent poll results are very troubling, and they come from Fox News.
I usually don't trust polls, but this one is very detailed - and contains a lot of "food for thoughts"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-august-14?fbclid=IwAR00iKWGyPhorrrnbj_Gg02parYswdQK31ofr9irixh4y0GY0gMRFVlB01M
I don't trust Fox any more than I trust any "news" organization at this point. Which is to say, very little if at all.

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2019, 08:32:05 PM »
How many different types of cancer are there?
What causes cancer?

These killers are simply another form of cancer.
The cancer patient is the human race.
The “cause” is likely to be just as varied as any other cancer.
You can give each type a different name, but you generally have to treat it the same way.
You have to destroy the cancerous cells.

You can go about it like The Socialist Republik of Kalipornia - and declare that pretty much everything causes cancer.  But warning labels - just like gun-free zones - don’t do anything at all to save the patient. Cancer doesn’t care about warning labels any more than criminals care about signs or laws.  Cancer does what it does until it’s destroyed. 

There has always been cancer. 
There has always been evil.

The question is:
Do you want to have wait for a specialist (Police) to treat the cancer while it continues to attack the patient?

Or would you prefer to begin treatment the very second you know the cancer is attacking?
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2019, 09:04:00 AM »
"Easy is the path to wisdom for those not blinded by ego." - Yoda


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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2019, 06:25:41 AM »
I agree with those who have said that there are many causes. But there is one cause which I think is more to blame than any other, though I am not sure I can articulate an explanation of it. Something I have seen, back when my son was still in school, was a tendency of kids to mimic things they saw or heard about, either to "join in" or to portray themselves in a certain way. For instance, one of my son's friends was put on some kind of happy pills, or some behavior modification drug. He made sure that everyone knew about that, repeatedly. It became his quick-draw excuse for everything he did. People around him got tired of it, but he didn't notice, he thought that the status of being a troubled kid on help pills made him look "cool" or something, it was sad to watch. Similarly, when a student at the school was killed in a car wreck, the school goes overboard providing counselors for kids that were grieving. I am sure that some kids who knew the young man that died, were in fact sad, but many took the opportunity to see if they could present themselves as the most bereaved student in the school. It was like a fashion-statement or something. Before you knew it the entire school was crying a river, even though the majority of them hardly knew the young man that had died.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that one factor in these mass shootings, is (especially when it is a young person) the desire to become something they have seen advertised/described/monumentalized in the media. "I want to be the next school shooter" is something that has been said by more than one of the individuals the police have picked up before they did a planned shooting. What makes someone say something like that? The desire to become something, for whatever reason, to belong, to be made famous, to go out in a glorious blaze, etc.

I'm sure someone else could articulate all of this better than I have done, but that's my take on it.

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2019, 12:08:34 PM »
The recent poll results are very troubling, and they come from Fox News.
I usually don't trust polls, but this one is very detailed - and contains a lot of "food for thoughts"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-august-14?fbclid=IwAR00iKWGyPhorrrnbj_Gg02parYswdQK31ofr9irixh4y0GY0gMRFVlB01M

Very interesting and disturbing poll. To me, one of the points it verifies is that those polled are vastly influenced by the media (as if we didn't know that already). Few people think for themselves and fewer yet do their own research but simply parrot what they are feed on a daily basis.

Goebbels would be proud of the American main stream media...they have learned their lessons well!

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2019, 09:54:40 PM »
I was scared to despair as a young boy when I found out some soviet nut could destroy the entire planet by pushing a button. I had a don’t give a bleepe attitude and am lucky to be alive today because of reckless behaviour. Today’s kids are scared to death by being told day in and day out that they have no future as the planet is dying. Helpless. Deaths of despair are skyrocketing in older men who have given up and child suicide and drug use because of this perception that we’re doomed on this planet. The fear mongers in the 24 hour news cycle are killing us. The people who don’t think they are getting a fair chance at the pile of gold are lashing out. Lashing out with guns is just one of the ways someone over the edge responds to hopelessness.
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