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Offline Claymore504

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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2019, 08:13:22 AM »
They remain so popular these days due to a proven track record and name that is very well known. Glock has done an excellent job of making sure everyone knows the brand name. They are very simple to work on and are pretty tough overall. When I first got into handguns I was Glock only. This was during the Gen 3 years. I finally figured out they just did not fit my hand at all and I was not willing to dump a bunch of money into getting the grips modified. Then I discovered the FNS and M&P and they fit my hand out of the box. The Gen 4 Glock came out, but I had already moved on from Glock. Then I jumped all over the P320, but have since decided I am going full DA/SA. So CZ and Beretta are my go to now.

After not firing a Glock in about 10 years I tried a Gen 5 and I just did not like it. I do think the Gen 5 is the best generation though and would suggest people check it out for sure.

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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2019, 08:14:12 PM »
Glock has a lot going for it.  The reputation as a rock solid gun that never fails, is cheap to buy and does not require maintenance is a lot of hooey but lots of folks buy into it.

They are very reliable and are like commodity items in that you can buy one used for $450, shoot it for a year and then sell it for $450.  They provide a credible platform for a reasonable cost and are somewhat forgiving of abuse.  There are a couple in my safe and there’s a G23 on my hip as I type this.

A lot of folks say they are ugly but I like the looks.  Sure, it’s no 1911 or high polish 75B but it does have a nice design aesthetic going. 

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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2019, 07:10:55 AM »
Glock has a lot going for it.  The reputation as a rock solid gun that never fails, is cheap to buy and does not require maintenance is a lot of hooey but lots of folks buy into it.

They are very reliable and are like commodity items in that you can buy one used for $450, shoot it for a year and then sell it for $450.  They provide a credible platform for a reasonable cost and are somewhat forgiving of abuse.  There are a couple in my safe and there’s a G23 on my hip as I type this.

A lot of folks say they are ugly but I like the looks.  Sure, it’s no 1911 or high polish 75B but it does have a nice design aesthetic going.

Personal opinion of course, but I always thought that MAS 49/56 were an attractive looking rifle. I understood I was in the minority on that opinion. As for Glocks, I think they are needlessly ugly myself, I say needlessly because a bit more effort spent on making them less blocky wouldn't cost Glock that much. But I think, and its only my opinion, that the decision-makers at Glock are dead set against making meaningful changes to the design. That might be why they failed to land the military contract this time, or so I read somewhere. They have changed sights and the texture of the grip, and other tweeks over time, but seem to think that any changes beyond that are sacrilege or something.

They work. But there is one torture test that cannot be duplicated, the test of time. I will be curious how many are still in service after say 75 years or so. In fact I rarely ever see any first gen Glocks, though I am sure some are out there.
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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2019, 08:01:55 AM »
I equate Glocks to AK-47s. Not pretty. Not fancy. Nothing to brag about accuracy wise. Not great triggers. Better designs exist. etc....etc. BUT, just like AKs, they hold up to lots of neglect and abuse and go bang when ya pull the trigger. Judge 'em for what they are.

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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2019, 01:52:54 PM »
I equate Glocks to AK-47s. Not pretty. Not fancy. Nothing to brag about accuracy wise. Not great triggers. Better designs exist. etc....etc. BUT, just like AKs, they hold up to lots of neglect and abuse and go bang when ya pull the trigger. Judge 'em for what they are.

Pretty-much my point
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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2019, 03:27:42 PM »
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I equate Glocks to AK-47s. Not pretty. Not fancy. Nothing to brag about accuracy wise. Not great triggers. Better designs exist. etc....etc. BUT, just like AKs, they hold up to lots of neglect and abuse and go bang when ya pull the trigger. Judge 'em for what they are.

I like some CZs and some Glocks.  (I only have 2 CZs at the moment, and several CZ-pattern guns.)  I also have 2 Glocks.  My favorite Glock was a lightly tuned Glock 34; my favorite CZs are a Sphinx SDP* and a custom (IMI) AT-84s*.  I also have an 85 Combat that I hold close.

 *I know they're not CZs, but they don't.

From what I can find about the AK-47's design objectives, a high rate of fire using a relatively potent round (i.e., get a lot of lead down range as quickly as possible and overwhelm the opposing forces), and do it with high reliability, was far more important than a very accurate weapon.  Snipers didn't use AKs, but the soldiers facing an enemy in ground combat did (and in some cases, still do).   The Soviet design theory was  "be practical, keep it simple, and be sure it works" and that design approach seemed to underlie almost every weapon or weapons system used by the Communist Bloc.   When the Communist Bloc combatants failed, the failures were seldom blamed on the weaponry.

Glocks have been well-represented in most of the Gun Games, and if there's something about the Glock you don't like, it's very likely you'll be able to find an after-market alternative that will fix what you don't like, and it won't necessarily be horribly expensive.  I disliked them at first because of the grip angle, but I found that if I used the sights, they were just as accurate as most of my other guns.

Some find Glocks ugly, but you can hear the same complaints about many of the Ruger models.  That said, the Rugers and Glocks just keep on running like the Energizer Bunny.

I think the reason the Glock (and Beretta) didn't  make the cut in the recent US military handgun competition was that they didn't really offer a single gun that was truly MODULAR (i.e., able to function as a 9mm or .45. with only modest part changes.)  That modular approach makes a lot of sense for the military armorer in the field, and Glock (and Beretta) just ignored it. 

There are a LOT of Glocks being used by militaries around the world, and the U.S. Army's 75th Ranger Regiment and the U.S. Special Operations Command have embraced them.   Apparently some Delta Operators use Glock 22s (i.e. .40 S&W, an almost unique U.S. military application).  The Navy SEALS last year began to phase out their SIG 228s/229s for Glock 19s and I don't think any of these elite forces would be satisfied with guns that only offered mediocre accuracy.

You don't have to like Glocks as they'll continue to do well without every CZ owner's enthusiastic support.  But you shouldn't denigrate them only become you don't like how they look or feel in your hand.   
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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2019, 05:59:10 PM »
I dislike glocks because yes they feel like CRAP in my hand but the main reason being they are striker fired and I will never own such a gun. That being the big disqualifier it is not in any way shape or form possible to mod a glock to my liking as no one offers an upgrade to a hammer fired lockwork.
Others like them and that is fine.Options are what makes it work for everyone and allows us all to find what we like and what works for each individually.

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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2019, 09:02:49 PM »
I used to be a hammer fired guy, but I now prefer striker fired pistols. I also used to dislike Glocks, but now they are my first choice for concealed carry and duty. Their accuracy, reliability, and simplicity won me over.

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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2019, 10:06:56 PM »
Glocks are like McDonald's. There won't be any surprises. Not expensive. Reliable. There's always one nearby. Not great, but still popular.

I don't have a Glock, nor have I been to a McDonald's in years. Don't have anything against either one though.

There's a lot to be said for boring predictability.

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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2019, 10:25:51 PM »
Glocks are like McDonald's. There won't be any surprises. Not expensive. Reliable. There's always one nearby. Not great, but still popular.

I don't have a Glock, nor have I been to a McDonald's in years. Don't have anything against either one though.

There's a lot to be said for boring predictability.

Or Jeeps.

Except Glocks don’t break.

It’s a Jeep thing I don’t understand.
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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2019, 04:54:15 PM »
I have both Glock and Cz pistols in my safe (along with others). I thoroughly enjoy shooting Glocks as well as Cz’s. I have a glock model 22, original gen. I don’t have any problems with the ergonomics of it. In fact I find that it is one of the best pistols I have ever shot for point shooting. Basically wherever I’m looking and draw that glock and point, if I look at the sights afterwards it is spot on. I noticed that when I first bought it and was “playing around” with it. I incorporated that “pointability” into my practice regimen over the years and it never let me down. Now, for sheer accuracy I have Zero problems with it. I consider myself a hell of a good shot and can quite happily group a large one hole with the glock at 25 yards all day.
The biggest difference between the glock and my P07 is that the P07 just does it a little better in my opinion.

I have been listening to and reading people complaining about glock ergos for years. It is nothing that can’t be solved by going to the range and practicing. It really comes down to a simple question, do you want to get good or just whine?
I have shot all kinds of pistols, rifles, shotguns, and machine guns over the years and there are very few of them that I have found that you can’t become proficient with enough practice on.


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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2019, 04:48:35 AM »


I have been listening to and reading people complaining about glock ergos for years. It is nothing that can’t be solved by going to the range and practicing. It really comes down to a simple question, do you want to get good or just whine?
I have shot all kinds of pistols, rifles, shotguns, and machine guns over the years and there are very few of them that I have found that you can’t become proficient with enough practice on.


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I've shot everything under the sun as well and yeah you can become proficient with anything with enough practice. I can shoot a J frame .38 spl as well as you can shoot your glock because I like them and wanted to be good with them. My CZ's Sigs and Berettas the same thing.It's what you like.

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Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2019, 06:08:09 AM »


I have been listening to and reading people complaining about glock ergos for years. It is nothing that can’t be solved by going to the range and practicing. It really comes down to a simple question, do you want to get good or just whine?
I have shot all kinds of pistols, rifles, shotguns, and machine guns over the years and there are very few of them that I have found that you can’t become proficient with enough practice on.


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I've shot everything under the sun as well and yeah you can become proficient with anything with enough practice. I can shoot a J frame .38 spl as well as you can shoot your glock because I like them and wanted to be good with them. My CZ's Sigs and Berettas the same thing.It's what you like.

Yep. That why they make more than one brand.


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Re: Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2019, 01:26:12 PM »

I have been listening to and reading people complaining about glock ergos for years. It is nothing that can’t be solved by going to the range and practicing. It really comes down to a simple question, do you want to get good or just whine?

Or, you can buy a pistol with good ergos and practice a lot as well.

The Glock design is forty years old.  At the time it came out there was nothing else like it.  Everyone knows they're reliable and decently accurate, but they are
crucially, also very inexpensive to manufacture, which makes it possible for Glock to offer police departments VERY favorable deals to to them into their hands.  That,
as well as intelligent and clever marketing (which at one time included "entertaining" customers at a strip club in Atlanta) got them their start in the US market.  Now there are
lots of options in the plastic pistol market.  That doesn't make the Glock a "bad" gun, but it makes it a gun with competition that has better ergos, triggers etc. 
Why wouldn't people want that?


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Why Glock aren't that great but are still popular?
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2019, 06:56:25 PM »

I have been listening to and reading people complaining about glock ergos for years. It is nothing that can’t be solved by going to the range and practicing. It really comes down to a simple question, do you want to get good or just whine?

Or, you can buy a pistol with good ergos and practice a lot as well.

The Glock design is forty years old.  At the time it came out there was nothing else like it.  Everyone knows they're reliable and decently accurate, but they are
crucially, also very inexpensive to manufacture, which makes it possible for Glock to offer police departments VERY favorable deals to to them into their hands.  That,
as well as intelligent and clever marketing (which at one time included "entertaining" customers at a strip club in Atlanta) got them their start in the US market.  Now there are
lots of options in the plastic pistol market.  That doesn't make the Glock a "bad" gun, but it makes it a gun with competition that has better ergos, triggers etc. 
Why wouldn't people want that?


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I suppose the easiest way to put this is simply if you don’t like the ergos don’t buy it. If you don’t buy it stop whining about it.

This is not directed specifically at you just FYI...just all the pelicans that spend their lives denigrating the guns on online forums. Instead of bleepcanning a particular gun and giving everyone their “sage wisdom”, perhaps go buy a Canik and go to the range.

And yes I know, I’m on an online forum and not shooting...but I’m doing it on the sly at work.


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