What CZ is MISSING?

[Vinny]

CZ has a great (if not THE best) line-up of DA/SA 9mm. For those of us that believe in the safety of 1st round DA, with quick and light SA follow-up shots; CZ has the bases covered........except ONE: NO pocket-sized DA/SA pistol.

I live in the south where shorts and T-shirt are pretty much year-round. I prefer a pocket-holstered CCW, and wish CZ had a DA/SA micro-9.
Micro-9's are extremely popular yet CZ doesn't have one. Yeah, there's plenty of SA micro pistols. Plenty of micro striker pistols. Plenty of DAO micro pistols. But micro-9 DA/SA??

I recently acquired this 20 year old S&W CS9 Chief's Special, 7+1  and surprising light (20.8oz.) for an all-metal handgun. Ahead of it's time before CCW got traction?
Yeah, I wish it was a wee bit smaller with a few more capacity like my SIG 365. If Smith could do this 20+ years ago, why can't CZ update this: a micro 9 DA/SA decocker even in polymer? Am I the only one that wishes for this??

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I've handled every poly pocket garter belt 9mm under the sun. Not a single one can replace my J frames for hot weather carry. Incidentally CZ bested the S&W 3rd gen single stacks with the Rami and when you compare the 3rd gen single stacks to the 75B compact and PCR the CZ's are really not much bigger and give true full size capacity in a compact frame.
The 3rd gens have their place in history and I still have a lone 3913 in the safe but with just plain better options available that's where it will be staying.
I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.

[Vinny]

I've handled every poly pocket garter belt 9mm under the sun. Not a single one can replace my J frames for hot weather carry. Incidentally CZ bested the S&W 3rd gen single stacks with the Rami and when you compare the 3rd gen single stacks to the 75B compact and PCR the CZ's are really not much bigger and give true full size capacity in a compact frame.
The 3rd gens have their place in history and I still have a lone 3913 in the safe but with just plain better options available that's where it will be staying.
I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.

You're undoubtedly right about CZ 'maybe' a P-10 micro-9. Another striker added into the fray.
My RAMI BD is just too chubby for my pockets, but it is a great pistol.
And a J-frame is a legitimate pocket gun. But it's only 5 shots, DAO trigger, and maybe best as a BUG. JMO (I had a S&W 432 6 shot J-frame 32 H&R Magnum).
The SIG P365 is about as close as I've come to what I want that's easily pocket-able. With the 12 round mag I can get a full grip and 2x the ammo of the J-frame. Excellent sights too.  But it's a striker.

[Hammer Time]

...I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.

Unfortunately, I think this is true.

I do think a slim, metal, single stack 9mm DA/SA that sits somewhere between 'pocket pistol' size and 'compact' size, say with a 3.2"-3.4" barrel that is 25oz or less would be the bee's knees. Currently the Sig P225A-1 is the only option I know that comes close to what I'm describing, but it's still a bit too heavy, imo.

But yeah, I'm not holding my breath. I've been told me tastes may not reflect the mainstream....

[Claymore504]

A DA/SA "single stack" 9 from CZ would be excellent! I am not a fan of the xd line a all, but LTT has not worked magic on the xde and it is supposed to be excellent. That could be an option, but I just don't like the xde.

[Vinny]

...I'm sure CZ at some point will offer a pocket baby in the P10 line but I seriously doubt we'll see one with a hammer.

Unfortunately, I think this is true.

I do think a slim, metal, single stack 9mm DA/SA that sits somewhere between 'pocket pistol' size and 'compact' size, say with a 3.2"-3.4" barrel that is 25oz or less would be the bee's knees. Currently the Sig P225A-1 is the only option I know that comes close to what I'm describing, but it's still a bit too heavy, imo.

But yeah, I'm not holding my breath. I've been told me tastes may not reflect the mainstream....

You can still find these sweet S&W 3913's 8+1 <$400. Very reliable DA/SA pistols. 25oz - 3.5" barrel. Smooth short reset SA trigger. But as SVPP said, a RAMI or PCR has more capacity in similar size, but not as thin as the single-stack 3913.
Here's my 3913 NL with the handsome tapered dust cover.

[Vinny]

How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's.  ??

[Madger]

I’ll play along.
How about a true .22lr  target pistol to compete with Ruger Mark IV, Smith and Wesson victory, etc.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's.  ??

This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.

[DenStinett]

How about a true .22lr  target pistol to compete with Ruger Mark IV, Smith and Wesson victory, etc.

I'll have to disagree with you there
If you put a KADET Upper on the right Frame, a KADET can, and will, out-shoot a LOT of those "Dedicated" 22 Target Jobs out there
Just ask JoeL; how well a KADET can shoot !

[Vinny]

How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's.  ??

This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.

You're right; I would personally like a CZ Micro-9 sized (pocketable) DA/SA. The chance of it happening is probably zilch.
However, for the same reason CZ makes several CZ-75 compact variants as well as the P-07, others have mentioned a sub-compact sized P-07, perhaps taking the same 12 round mags as the P-10S. Interchangeable like the P-10C mags retro-fit the P-07. The chance of it happening.....zilch+
A micro-9 sized P-10.....maybe.  I guess we'll see once the new factory is on-line.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's.  ??

This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.

You're right; I would personally like a CZ Micro-9 sized (pocketable) DA/SA. The chance of it happening is probably zilch.
However, for the same reason CZ makes several CZ-75 compact variants as well as the P-07, others have mentioned a sub-compact sized P-07, perhaps taking the same 12 round mags as the P-10S. Interchangeable like the P-10C mags retro-fit the P-07. The chance of it happening.....zilch+
A micro-9 sized P-10.....maybe.  I guess we'll see once the new factory is on-line.

Didn't you have a Sig P365? Whats wrong with that? Also the Sig P938 is certainly a pocket worthy gun but reliability is very hit and miss with those. Ask me how I know!

[JHP147]

I'm another warm climate pocket carrier and my RAMI just didn't fill the niche that my P365 fills.  i'd love to see CZ offer something in the micro 9 category, though I've been very happy with my Sig.  it's reliable, discrete, and 9mm.

[Vinny]

How about a sub-compact version of the P-07? The P-07&09 have proven to be superb DA/SA firearms in terms of accuracy, reliability and durability.
The P-07's Omega trigger allows either SA cocked-locked or DA/SA decocked.
Lop maybe 1/2-3/4" off grip height to 12 rounds. Maybe 1/2" off barrel length to 3-1/4". Maybe get weight down to low 20oz's.  ??

This idea has been floated in many threads but CZ has been quiet on the issue. Those dimensions still wouldn't really make for a practical pocket sized gun,you'd just have a mini P-07 the size of the Rami.

You're right; I would personally like a CZ Micro-9 sized (pocketable) DA/SA. The chance of it happening is probably zilch.
However, for the same reason CZ makes several CZ-75 compact variants as well as the P-07, others have mentioned a sub-compact sized P-07, perhaps taking the same 12 round mags as the P-10S. Interchangeable like the P-10C mags retro-fit the P-07. The chance of it happening.....zilch+
A micro-9 sized P-10.....maybe.  I guess we'll see once the new factory is on-line.

Didn't you have a Sig P365? Whats wrong with that? Also the Sig P938 is certainly a pocket worthy gun but reliability is very hit and miss with those. Ask me how I know!

Yes, I have a SIG P365 and after a rocky start, now 3000+ in it has proven to be very reliable, accurate and is the size and capacity I like for a pocket pistol.  I'm getting trigger-pull measurements with my Lyman around 5-1/2 to 5-3/4 lbs. It's easy to shoot quickly, maybe too easy, for a pocket gun. I would just feel a bit more comfortable with a DA 1st pull. It's replacing my DAO SIG 290rs which is at the other end of the spectrum. Looonng firm pull, loong reset. Honestly, I prefer that over a hare trigger, but I like the extra capacity of the P365. They fit the same Desantis Super-fly pocket holster. I'm thinking someone might offer a firmer trigger or striker spring for the P365. About 7-8lbs would be OK. I don't want an additional manual safety. Just DA weight pull for pocket safety.

[MadDuner]

Yes, the little Sig P290RS would be SO much better if it were DA/SA!

And if CZ managed to make something that small with a hammer in SA/DA - I’d be ALL over it.  But for now, I just keep practicing with the baby Sig.