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Offline Double Tap

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P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« on: October 19, 2019, 06:24:34 PM »
I spent the past few days reading all I could find and viewing as many videos as I could find about P10 C. Today I went to the range/LGS and looked at one. I have owned and shot my P-01 for over 15 years. When I picked up the P10 my first response was this does not feel like a CZ. It feels nothing like my P-01 with the stock rubber grips. The ergonomics were terrible for me. Then I proceeded to dry fire it numerous times. The trigger is suboptimal at best (IMHO) a piece of crap. I was laughing internally because as I'm dry fireing the salesman is telling me how great the trigger is. I guess he was just parroting all the videos.

I then went to a different counter and salesman and asked to see a SIG 320C. As I picked it up I knew that it felt great in my hand. I then did my dry fireing and was impressed to the point that I made up my mind that I was going to buy one either this week or next.

I love my P-01 but after 15 years I want a new compact size gun.

Offline Earl Keese

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2019, 06:43:27 PM »
Well, I don't think the P10 isn't supposed to feel like a CZ. It was made to compete for sales from Glock guys. In that regard it does pretty well. Hope you enjoy your 320, it's a great gun. My brother is in love with his.

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2019, 07:38:45 PM »
When the P10C first came out, I was not enthused.  But, after handling one, it changed my mind.  It’s a solid choice for day to day carry.  The trigger IS very good compared to a G19 or some other striker fired guns.  I own both and the P10C is better.

Then again, I don’t really need to defend the P10C against the opinion of someone that simply dry fired a new gun at a gun counter and decided to slam it based on near zero experience.

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2019, 07:52:49 PM »
Agreed, P10 model has nothing to old good CZ. Polymer frame made this pistol a different class. Like Earl Keese said, P10 was made to compete with Glock (and other polymer products).
SIG 320 seems to be a good choice, much better feeling comparing to P10 (however it's only personal preference), very similar to Walther PPQ or H&K VP9.

Offline Joe L

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2019, 08:22:23 PM »
I still prefer the old style steel guns like a 75B and 97B"E", also.  But those are no longer competitive commercially so the polymer guns were developed.  Then to cut costs further, the striker fired polymer guns were developed.  My opinion is that the target consumer for the P10 series guns may not have ever shot a 75B, much less a 97B, but may be familiar with a Glock or another polymer service pistol.  The P10 can compete against other polymer pistols just fine in my opinion. 

But, I have to admit, the more I shoot the polymer guns, especially the P10, the more I like it.  The P10S was a pleasant surprise to me, as to how well I could shoot it right out of the box.  Some time with the larger P10 guns helped, of course. 

But, I'm all for sticking with what you like and with what you shoot well, whether it is a CZ, Sig, or even a Glock.  They are all fun to me as a hobbyist.  I just like the challenge of shooting a lowly service pistol rather than a custom match gun.  The polymer CZ service pistols seem to be built extremely well mechanically, so I get surprisingly good results out of them, especially after adding some Sugru and JB-Weld.  The guns aren't fancy.  I'm not fancy. 

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2019, 08:55:11 PM »
When the P10C first came out, I was not enthused.  But, after handling one, it changed my mind.  It’s a solid choice for day to day carry.  The trigger IS very good compared to a G19 or some other striker fired guns.  I own both and the P10C is better.

Then again, I don’t really need to defend the P10C against the opinion of someone that simply dry fired a new gun at a gun counter and decided to slam it based on near zero experience.
I am not asking anyone to defend the P10. What I posted here were my observations of the two guns, in addition my mental comparison to my P-01.

What I find astounding is all compliments the trigger received in the videos and from the salesman. It's so far below what I consider acceptable that actually firing one would have been a waste of time and ammo for me. As far as the ergonomics go that is strictly personal preference. My P-01 for me is outstanding. The SIG P320 is for me very comfortable, now I will rent the range rental and if it lives up to my expectations I will be bringing a new one home with me.

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2019, 09:11:10 PM »
I dry fired a number of pistols last weekend - and it surprised me just how much the exact same models varied in trigger “feel”.  I’ve seen firsthand how very different some of them can be, while still supposedly being the “same”.  While firing a gun at the range to see if you like it is WAY better than buying one and hoping you like it.... just know that the trigger in the one you take home - could still be different than the one you tested.

That said, the ergonomics will not change.  If it feels good in your hands - chances are you will shoot it well, and any “issues” with the trigger can always be addressed.

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2019, 09:19:22 PM »
I sat in a parked car the other day. Didn’t drive it. Just sat there. The gas pedal was totally unresponsive. What a piece of junk!

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2019, 09:23:44 PM »
I think you dry fired a lemon p10, mine and others I have shot or dry fired were some of the best I've tried. My shadow 2 trigger is equal or maybe a tiny bit better then my P10C. My p07 trigger is ok but I'm fine with that as it's a carry gun. My 75B is a little better then the p07. I'll never sell my shadow 2 or white nitride P10C for the trigger and how it feels in my hand.

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2019, 09:24:25 PM »
I sat in a parked car the other day. Didn’t drive it. Just sat there. The gas pedal was totally unresponsive. What a piece of junk!
You have to put gas in it and press the start button [emoji16]

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2019, 09:26:14 PM »
I would have tried all of the striker fired pistols and then decided.

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2019, 09:27:59 PM »
I think you dry fired a lemon p10, mine and others I have shot or dry fired were some of the best I've tried. My shadow 2 trigger is equal or maybe a tiny bit better then my P10C. My p07 trigger is ok but I'm fine with that as it's a carry gun. My 75B is a little better then the p07. I'll never sell my shadow 2 or white nitride P10C for the trigger and how it feels in my hand.
It's possible that you are correct about the trigger, however the ergonomics were nothing like my P-01

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2019, 09:30:20 PM »
I would have tried all of the striker fired pistols and then decided.
The SIG P320 felt like very very good, that's why I will rent one before I buy one.

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2019, 09:31:52 PM »
I rented and compared a P-10C and a Walther PPQ5 Match in the same range session.  I shot both of them well, with almost the exact same results.  I liked the feel of the Walther better, but I kept shooting the P-10 quicker and quicker.  I really enjoyed shooting them, but bought neither of them.  When I got back - I bought a P-07!

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Re: P10 C What a total disappointment 😐
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2019, 09:33:46 PM »
I rented and compared a P-10C and a Walther PPQ5 Match in the same range session.  I shot both of them well, with almost the exact same results.  I liked the feel of the Walther better, but I kept shooting the P-10 quicker and quicker.  I really enjoyed shooting them, but bought neither of them.  When I got back - I bought a P-07!
Ah yes, life has so many difficult decisions [emoji23]

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