P07 Advanced Carry Gun Project

[Mercs]

The lower-powered recoil spring does not pair well with higher-powered self defense rounds

The stainless recoil spring guide is a bad trade on increased reliability, for the weight increase. This is mostly for competition guns imo, where you want to swap recoil springs to tune it and you also don’t mind the extra weight. A captured spring system is more appropriate for a self defense pistol









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[jurek]

and if your attorney is any good he will show that what you've put together as a highly accurate self-defense weapon .
As long as at the time of the shooting you're not walking around with one of those I have a right to carry an AR-15 in public,  t-shirts.

Yeah, you are right.
It might be a long discussion about this... 
Just saying, I know the attorney is going to prove my choice was right... however I'm a person who prefer to avoid something than spending extra time and money to fight with jury and prove I was right.

[MadDuner]

I make all my weapons suite my requirements as best I can.  Anything that helps you become more proficient with your carry guns is a tremendous benefit. 

You always have to remember that being accurate and on target is best for stopping a threat and saving your life initially.  But not hitting an unintended victim will end up being of greater importance to your freedom and life after the fact. 

Anybody that thinks a lower quality or difficult trigger on a daily carry gun helps keep you from hitting that unintended victim - then by all means keep it.  Everyone has to weigh all these factors because it’s reality.

If people keep a crappy trigger because they think it buys anything with the jury if you injure somebody you did not intend to?  I respectfully disagree.  I want what works best to save both MY life, and anybody else’s that may be affected by my actions.....other than the BAD guy of course.

[M1A4ME]

A gun is a tool (didn't I hear that in a movie once??)

Crappy tools don't work as intended when needed.

Do you drive around with a flat spare and a jack that's not working right in your trunk?

Do you cut wood with a dull chain saw chain?

Do you cut wire with wire cutters full of nicks in the cutter blade?

Do you wear shoes with holes in the soles?

Do you wear a watch you can only depend on sometimes?

Think about it. 

I would not think about carrying my TS .40, the P01 converted to SAO (one of the steel framed P01 looking CZ75 Compacts). However, as sorry as the factory trigger was on it I wouldn't carry it without improving it either.  But, the tool you carry you have to depend on for your life.  Why add risks?

[jurek]

Let's go back to thread and the questions davekoch asked.
There is already another thread about legal aspects of handgun's action modifications for everyday carry. (search for "trigger modification")

[MadDuner]

Fair enough.

I believe his plan for CGW short reset and Defensive trigger mods are appropriate for his requirements.

[jurek]

I'll be adding a Cajun Gunworks stainless steel guide rod and 15# recoil spring, CGW Short Reset Kit, and CGW Self Defense Spring Kit.

Fair enough.

I believe his plan for CGW short reset and Defensive trigger mods are appropriate for his requirements.

Yeah. I'm thinking about recoil spring weight. I cannot find what is the factory spring for P-07. But if #15 replacement is not lower that 3LB from original I would say this set is good.
(I did lower my spring from 18lb to 14lb and found a lot of load to the chamber failures)

[davekoch]

Regarding those who commented on the recoil spring, it may very well be a problem. I took the gun out about a week ago and shot about 100 rounds of 147gr CCI Blazer Brass and S&B 150gr.  I got intermittent "live round stovepipes" failure to feed jams.  In other words, the gun would successfully extract and eject an empty, pickup up a live round from the mag, then fail to feed it with the slide closing on the live round standing vertically, projectile up between the slide and the breech of the barrel.  It did this about 5 times in various mags with both types of ammo.

The gun was freshly lubed with Slip2000.

The only modification I made was the CGW guide rod and 15# spring that had previously worked flawlessly in my P10C.

The mags were brand new CZ 15rd and 17rd that had also worked flawlessly in my P10C.

I could have been limp wristing it because after I cut my session short and cleaned the gun, I found that I had a 101 degree fever!

I'll put the OEM recoil spring back in and do some more testing....

[GRU7_Mike]

I think enough cases of self defense has gone thru the court system to expose the BS attempts of the worst of the worst lawyers in attempting to make the jury see any gun you own as a killing machine simply for a few mods to assist in a more comfortable firearm.  This is especially true if you are a range member that has a range with security cameras that show you often go and use that firearm to target shoot.  Having bought and having a new trigger or sight change by the range pro shop also could help.   

[davekoch]

You also mentioned that most of your practice will be suppressed, I don't think you're going to a i w b with a suppressor. OUCH !! 😬
You said this was your CCW pistol , so practice self-defense drills not target shooting with a suppressor,

The suppressor is for shooting on my property. I have literally a mountain for a backstop in my back yard (actually I live halfway up it) but I do have neighbors to the front of me. The suppressor makes my 9mm pistol sound like a 22LR rifle so I'm not driving everyone crazy with my shooting every weekend.

 I'm obviously not able to holster the gun with the suppressor on it, but I can hold it at low ready and present from there. Other than that limitation, it's a very light weight suppressor and doesn't limit me for self defense drills.

 As far as drawing from a holster, I have a Laserlyte 9mm cartridge and some software that can read my hits on an IPSC target. I use that to practice and time draws.

[Yoni]

Shooting bag guys with a better tool should be an issue easily dealt with. In my time as a cop in the USA, I know of multiple shootings in my agency where the officers were using highly tricked out handguns or rifles and it was never an issue.

My P07 is very close to this with a CGW action job and with an RMR milled in by CGW. I will add that my pistol doesn't have an iron rear sight. Suppressor CZ front sight and RMR, I have turned the dot down to the point I can't see it and still get great hits at 25 meters with front sight and using RMR as a ghost ring.

I will never have a rear sight on a red dot pistol again.

[DOC 1500]

Shooting bag guys with a better tool should be an issue easily dealt with. In my time as a cop in the USA, I know of multiple shootings in my agency where the officers were using highly tricked out handguns or rifles and it was never an issue.

My P07 is very close to this with a CGW action job and with an RMR milled in by CGW. I will add that my pistol doesn't have an iron rear sight. Suppressor CZ front sight and RMR, I have turned the dot down to the point I can't see it and still get great hits at 25 meters with front sight and using RMR as a ghost ring.

I will never have a rear sight on a red dot pistol again.

A police agency that allows for modifications of service pistols? That just seems weird and puts the agency in a different frame of liability, for ND or AD.
That's why many police agencies had gun manufacturers build guns specifically to their criteria to eliminate accidental discharge and or negligent discharge.
I'm not saying you're telling the story I just find it weird. Can you tell us what police agency does that? Allows for modifications.
I can maybe see allowing modifications for the grip or sites but other than that, no.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Before the whiners and know it alls came along cops were allowed to mod their guns to their liking and many carried their own reloaded ammo as well. I'm sure it wasn't that way everywhere and this is going back some decades as well. My dad carried a sweet S&W K-38 back in the 50's. I still have it and it still shoots dead on with a 7.5 lb DA pull and a whisper 2 lb SA pull.

[DOC 1500]

I wonder how many years ago Yoni is speaking of and what agencies and or departments? I don't think you have to be real specific

[Yoni]

It was a lot of years ago and was a west coast Sheriff's department.

I would guess that maybe 5 to 7% ran guns that had been customized, while maybe an other 10% ran a gun they owned. The rest was department issue guns. I carried 2 custom pistols, and either a my own rifle or shotgun.

I then made the choice to go back to chasing terrorist, and moved back to Israel. Where I could only carry issued guns. But did at one point own 6 of my own guns, which was vary rare.

I was back there on the west coast not that long ago and a friend of mine that 25 years ago was carrying a HK P7, still had the same P7 for his carry gun.