P-07 ...back to the future

[30-30]

I carry a Glock and other assorted striker-fire pistols since 1996 (mostly connected with LE).  The striker-fire platform is good, but sometimes I think we have become very comfortable with a trigger system that doesn't take much to make it go bang (4-5.5-lbs of trigger pressure doesn't leave a lot of room for error) . 

I've always looked at the Glock "safe-action" as advertising spin, as long as you keep your finger off the trigger you're good to go--but that can go south real fast when stress enters the picture.

That's why I've gravitated to the CZ P-07 pistol for off-duty and home defense (looked at the Beretta and Sig, but liked the CZ better).  I like the extra measure of safety that a DA/SA, a decocker, and a hammer offers--this is strictly my lousy cranky back-east opinion -- YMMV. 

[M1A4ME]

I agree the P07 is an excellent pistol.  It's what I carry regularly (concealed carry out in public places or on road trips).

But I carry mine cocked and locked.  I know it works in DA but I never shoot it that way.  I like that nice 3&1/4 lbs. SA trigger pull.

[MadDuner]

I carry my P-07 daily.  Decocker here.  Practice draw and first DA pull religiously.

[Vinny]

I carry a Glock and other assorted striker-fire pistols since 1996 (mostly connected with LE).  The striker-fire platform is good, but sometimes I think we have become very comfortable with a trigger system that doesn't take much to make it go bang (4-5.5-lbs of trigger pressure doesn't leave a lot of room for error) . 

I've always looked at the Glock "safe-action" as advertising spin, as long as you keep your finger off the trigger you're good to go--but that can go south real fast when stress enters the picture.

That's why I've gravitated to the CZ P-07 pistol for off-duty and home defense (looked at the Beretta and Sig, but liked the CZ better).  I like the extra measure of safety that a DA/SA, a decocker, and a hammer offers--this is strictly my lousy cranky back-east opinion -- YMMV.

+1  Well said!
I had some nice Full and Compact striker-fired (HKVP9, Glock 17 g4, XDS etc) and ditched them all in favor of DA/SA.
Love my CZ SP-01 TAC, P-07, P-01 and RAMI BD. The P-07 especially continues to impress as an outstanding pistol.

Only have one striker left; a SIG P365 and would love to find a micro-size 9 DA/SA decocker to replace it.
Talk'in about Back to the Future......Just bought a 1999 Gen 3 S&W CS9 Chief's Special. Although light enough at 20.5oz for pocket-carry, it's just a wee big. But it's an 'almost micro 9' all-alloy hammer-fired DA/SA Decocker.

[Wobbly]

I love shooting my P10c on the range, but I carry a hammer gun.

[Yoni]

My shooting history started with 1911 and then went into revolvers, then back to 1911 and then to Hi Powers and finally my last issue pistol was Glock.

I love my Hi Powers as they stood by me through thick and thin. When we went with Glocks, I very soon loved the difference in weight of the guns but never fell in love with them.

I retired and moved back to the USA, where I connected with friends that I had met from the army in the USA. More than a few of the people that served in the unit they had served in were big on CZ P07/9. I shot a CGW P09 of a friend and that was it.

I like the DA/SA of the CZ for several reasons. First I spent a lot of time carrying a pistol with no holster, so that if I needed to dump the pistol I could just dump it and spare mags and had no holster to worry about or mag carriers. So I like the added safety of a DA/SA carried with no holster. The second reason is that under real conditions if I have someone at gun point it is a longer harder pull so the chance of a accidental round going off is greatly reduced. At civilian gun fighting distance and with practice the DA/SA will not make a difference in the outcome of the fight. I lastly like the fact that I don't have to worry about taking a pistol off safety, since force on force training has shown this to be an issue even with long term 1911/  Hi Power users.

I carry my CGW CZ P07 when ever I can, so far it has seen some countries in Africa, Latin America and of course USA.

[30-30]

I like the DA/SA of the CZ for several reasons. First I spent a lot of time carrying a pistol with no holster, so that if I needed to dump the pistol I could just dump it and spare mags and had no holster to worry about or mag carriers.

YONI -- thank you for your comments. I'm with you on the "no holster carry" of a DA/SA pistol.  There are times that you can simply shove a P-07 in your pants, a carry bag, in a glove compartment, or on a night stand without the worry of a striker-fire.  The DA/SA gives you options that a striker-fire pistol can't.     

[Hammer Time]

Agreed with all of this, and that's why I just can't bring myself to daily carry a striker gun, even though I've owned a number of them and some of them, like my P365, are easier and more convenient to carry than my P-07. I don't care how experienced you are, accidents can (and do) happen. A DA trigger on the first pull is an extra bit of insurance that is easy to train for. I did a training course with Ernest Langdon earlier this year (probably the most experienced shooter I've ever had the privilege of sharing a range with) and he feels exactly the same way. For many of us, it isn't a lack of experience that causes us to mistrust striker triggers- quite the opposite, in fact.

[Vinny]

Agreed with all of this, and that's why I just can't bring myself to daily carry a striker gun, even though I've owned a number of them and some of them, like my P365, are easier and more convenient to carry than my P-07. I don't care how experienced you are, accidents can (and do) happen. A DA trigger on the first pull is an extra bit of insurance that is easy to train for. I did a training course with Ernest Langdon earlier this year (probably the most experienced shooter I've ever had the privilege of sharing a range with) and he feels exactly the same way. For many of us, it isn't a lack of experience that causes us to mistrust striker triggers- quite the opposite, in fact.

Spot on!
Although I like almost everything about my P365 now with over 3600 flawless rounds; the trigger keeps getting smoother and now breaks cleanly at just under 5-1/2 lbs which I consider too light for pocket carry. I simply can't bring myself to trust it even in a soft pocket holster. I keep falling back on my DAO SIG 290rs that I've updated with XRay-3 sights. I know it's not going off without a whole lotta deliberate effort.     

Sure wish someone like CZ would revisit a micro-9 DA/SA hammer pistol. Kinda like a S&W 3rd Gen single-stack CS9 Chief's Special, maybe just a wee smaller with the capacity of a P365.

A sub-compact P-07sc (P-05) anyone?

[Yoni]

I would buy a sub com packet P07 in the blink of an eye as long as it would take P07/09 mags

[Vinny]

I would buy a sub com packet P07 in the blink of an eye as long as it would take P07/09 mags

+1
If it could take the P-10s 12 round mags, like the original P-10C mags are backwards compatible with the P-07, it would make them less expensive and more available!
And of course make the longer P-07/09 mags fit too.

Ohhh, and while they're bringing us Back into the Future; can they please make the P-09/07 and P-05 (or P-07s or whatever ya wanna call it) Optics-Ready too like the striker line. 

[M1A4ME]

If you prefer a heavy trigger pull and like striker fired guns look at the FNS pistols.  6 to 6.5 lb. trigger pulls that are double action.

Unlike the Glock/XD/XDM/M&P pistols the trigger pull on an FNS moves the whole sear rearward - forcing the striker farther to the rear - prior to finally lifting in the front and dropping in the back to release the striker.  Weird.  Weird feel.  Weird looking if you pull the slide off and watch that sear and pin move rearwards while pulling the trigger.

About the size of my P07 but holds two more rounds in .40 S&W.

Just not as accurate as my P07.  At least not with the ammo I've tried so far.

[boss281]

I carry the P-07 or P-01. Bothe superb shooters. Agree the decocked state is a measure of safety I can appreciate...

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[Vinny]

If you prefer a heavy trigger pull and like striker fired guns look at the FNS pistols.  6 to 6.5 lb. trigger pulls that are double action.

Unlike the Glock/XD/XDM/M&P pistols the trigger pull on an FNS moves the whole sear rearward - forcing the striker farther to the rear - prior to finally lifting in the front and dropping in the back to release the striker.  Weird.  Weird feel.  Weird looking if you pull the slide off and watch that sear and pin move rearwards while pulling the trigger.

About the size of my P07 but holds two more rounds in .40 S&W.

Just not as accurate as my P07.  At least not with the ammo I've tried so far.

Isn't the KAHR trigger mechanism similar? Listed as DAO but really a partially cocked striker??
And SIG's DAK system too?

I personally prefer hammer-fired DA/SA.
But it's really hard to find a pocket-sized DA/SA (decocker) hammer-fired pistol. Everything I've found is either DAO, SAO/Safety, or Striker. Closest I've come is the 3rd Gen S&W CS9 but still a bit too large.

[M1A4ME]

Vinny, I don't know.  I had no idea when I bought it that it was so different from the M&P and XD guns I already had bought over the years.

I just know that none of my other striker fired pistols actually move the sear rearward some distance before tipping the front up/back down to release the striker.

It has other differences (trigger stays to the rear until the slide goes forward, no coiled trigger return spring to break - that I can see down inside there, trigger rearward travel to striker release distance is far better than any striker fired pistol I have, and many of the hammer fired guns, except the M&P with the Apex trigger kit in it, truly ambidextrous controls, etc.)  Like I said, it's going to have to shoot a lot better than it does for me to put it in the same class as the P07, but right now it's fun to mess with - and the Compact FNS .40 is much smaller than the P07 and can still use the 14 round magazines.  Drawback is the Compact isn't even as accurate (so far) as the 4" pistols.

Not advocating it over anything else, just saying it's different for those that like to try different stuff.