P-07 ...back to the future

[Vinny]

M1A4ME,
Thanks for the explanation.
FNS is not afraid to think outside the box; sometimes focused more on military requirements than consumer. But really good combat stuff IMHO.
I have an FNX-45 Tactical I really like. 15+1 of 45ACP yet the grip is only about 1.3" wide. The frame-mounted safety lever goes down to decock for DA/SA, or all the way up for safety. Push the safety down to middle position (horizontal) for SAO and you can ride the safety like a 1911. The DA trigger cams up smoothly to a clean break and nice SA from there. One of the first optics-ready pistols that truly co-witnesses the excellent night irons with a Venom. Designed for the first round of the US Military's pistol replacement contest. I suppose it was expensive, not 9mm, not modular, and not striker so US chose the SIG 320; but it's one heck of a hammer-fired combat pistol!

[30-30]

Remember, the US Military placed a manual safety on the M-17 (Sig P-320).  I carried a P-320 for awhile, but found it somewhat disconcerting that there was nothing to stop the trigger from going bang (5.5 -6.5 lb with no resistance).  The Glock has the trigger safety in the middle of the trigger, which I think is the better design, the CZ P-10 has the same safety feature... but in the end I like a heavier longer trigger pull of a DA/SA... YMMV

[M1A4ME]

I like safeties.  My FNS pistols both have ambidextrous thumb safeties.  Just like my P07/P09/CZ75B/CZ85/TS .40/P01 Omegas/CZ75 Compact.

[Hammer Time]

I like safeties on rifles. I do not like them at all on pistols, particularly if it's one I'm carrying for SD.

[Gunnerdad80]

VINNY: I agree with what you said early on in this topic about the SIG P365. I also have a P365 but with thumb safety and now it is the only striker fired pistol I have, and I have several pistols. For me, any added safety feature is a plus. When I began having kids it put me in even more of a 'safety first' mind-set. I sold all my guns without a manual thumb safety, bought a primary gun safe and 2 quick access biometric safes for my wife and I. I do catch a little bit of light-hearted flack for my thumb safety preference but I don't mind. I practice as much as possible with any pistols I carry in an attempt to be as proficient as possible if the need should arise to defend myself, my family or others. Thankfully I haven't been put in that situation. But, I also haven't been subject to the stress, fear and anxiety that a person can experience in a situation like that so a thumb safety, for me, is an added layer of protection against an accidental discharge in a high stress draw situation.

[Vinny]

VINNY: I agree with what you said early on in this topic about the SIG P365. I also have a P365 but with thumb safety and now it is the only striker fired pistol I have, and I have several pistols. For me, any added safety feature is a plus. When I began having kids it put me in even more of a 'safety first' mind-set. I sold all my guns without a manual thumb safety, bought a primary gun safe and 2 quick access biometric safes for my wife and I. I do catch a little bit of light-hearted flack for my thumb safety preference but I don't mind. I practice as much as possible with any pistols I carry in an attempt to be as proficient as possible if the need should arise to defend myself, my family or others. Thankfully I haven't been put in that situation. But, I also haven't been subject to the stress, fear and anxiety that a person can experience in a situation like that so a thumb safety, for me, is an added layer of protection against an accidental discharge in a high stress draw situation.

GunnerDad, I think your strategy and M1A4ME's SAO/safety as well makes good sense. A friend of mine recently went from EDC Glock 43 to a SIG P365 with the manual safety for the extra 4 rounds. If you stay with ONE SD manual of arms and regularly practice & train, I agree the extra layer of safety is a good thing. I've chosen hammer-fired DA 1st round as my layer of safety and my FNX-45, CZ's and SIGs all run as DA/SA decockers. I also like that I can thumb-ride the hammer down when re-holstering.
The P-07 & P-09 with Omega trigger give you both carry options. Nice!

My only exception is my P365 and for now I've chosen not to carry it.  Just hoping a firmer trigger-pull kit might become available like a bit longer & smooth 7-1/2-8-1/2lbs, either thru SIG or after-market. Then maybe I'd carry it......but for now, when I need to pocket carry I'll continue with my Hammer-fired DAO Sig290rs micro-9.

[Gunnerdad80]

I have a new in the box, unfired PO1 Omega. I don’t use it because when I bought it I didn’t realize I had to have the hammer at least half cocked to have safety on. I like to be able to use safety with hammer down.

[Vinny]

I have a new in the box, unfired PO1 Omega. I don’t use it because when I bought it I didn’t realize I had to have the hammer at least half cocked to have safety on. I like to be able to use safety with hammer down.

I get and respect that you're just more comfortable with the safety engaged and hammer down.
With the pistol decocked and hammer resting down on firing pin block it's really not 'half-cocked' IMO.
The long heavy DA pull from there is considered safety enough and I believe CZ considers manual safety and DA to be redundant and possibly unsafe if you don't realize safety is engaged when you need it to fire DA!

But I defer to those who might actually have an Omega set up with the manual safety if the safety can be engaged with hammer down.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I have a new in the box, unfired PO1 Omega. I don’t use it because when I bought it I didn’t realize I had to have the hammer at least half cocked to have safety on. I like to be able to use safety with hammer down.

What gun do you have other than a Beretta 90 series or S&W 3rd gen style gun that can have the hammer down/safety engaged? CZ's don't operate that way. Maybe there's a couple brands I'm not thinking of at the moment. Walther PPK  operates that way but no one with any sense would bet their life on one of those.
I'm perfectly comfortable with My DA/SA guns carried hammer down with decocker and no safety lever. They're just as safe that way as any DA revolver. 

[Vinny]

I have a new in the box, unfired PO1 Omega. I don’t use it because when I bought it I didn’t realize I had to have the hammer at least half cocked to have safety on. I like to be able to use safety with hammer down.

What gun do you have other than a Beretta 90 series or S&W 3rd gen style gun that can have the hammer down/safety engaged? CZ's don't operate that way. Maybe there's a couple brands I'm not thinking of at the moment. Walther PPK  operates that way but no one with any sense would bet their life on one of those.
I'm perfectly comfortable with My DA/SA guns carried hammer down with decocker and no safety lever. They're just as safe that way as any DA revolver.

YES!
Even with the 3rd Gen Smiths; it was common and considered safe practice to decock the pistol and holster without ever activating the safety. Remember, on hammer-fired pistols you can also press your thumb down on the hammer as you holster for an extra margin of safety.  Conversely, if you want to carry cocked/locked you typically activate the safety and holster without ever decocking. I guess CZ's are set up to prevent accidentally doing both! 

I suppose if I was really worried about bedside or carry safety with a chambered round....I might consider 'Israeli Carry' with a loaded magazine but nothing chambered; requiring learning to rack the slide upon draw to load a round and SA from there.
Not for me ......But, each to their own.

[M1A4ME]

1.  No need to have a safety ON and the hammer down.  At that point it's kin to a revolver.  Takes a long heavy trigger pull to make it cock the hammer and drop it - and you have to pull that trigger due to the firing pin block.
2.  CZ doesn't recommend trying to put the safety ON with the hammer down or at half cock.  You can damage the internal mechanism if you try to pull the trigger (with the parts in that configuration) with the safety ON.

Just tried all of mine and they will allow the safety to be moved to the ON position when at half cock.  Never realized it because I never tried it.  Mine are only at half cock when field stripping on for cleaning/lubing.

[Yoni]

I have a new in the box, unfired PO1 Omega. I don’t use it because when I bought it I didn’t realize I had to have the hammer at least half cocked to have safety on. I like to be able to use safety with hammer down.

I have to ask why?

The only situation where this make sense to me is if your in LE and are thinking about slowing a bad guy down in a gun grab situation.

[DOC 1500]

I have a new in the box, unfired PO1 Omega. I don’t use it because when I bought it I didn’t realize I had to have the hammer at least half cocked to have safety on. I like to be able to use safety with hammer down.

I may be wrong here but I think you're worried about the hammer falling from half-cocked and striking the firing pin to set off a chambered round. ND
This is not going to happen unless you pull the trigger. These pistols have a firing pin safety that is engaged and will only disengage when the trigger is pulled.
Most negligent discharge is caused by ( 2) factors.
( 1 ) drawing from The holster with your finger on the trigger. DON'T DO THAT.
( 2 ) when reholstering ( and not paying close attention to what you're doing ) a piece of your clothing gets caught on the trigger in the trigger guard or even part of your holster rig.

[Gunnerdad80]

Sorry, been outta town. The safety on all my Tanfoglio pistols can be actuated with the hammer in any position. I believe TriStar/Caniks of the CZ platform are the same as Tanfoglio. I like hammer down, safety on because if I’m ever in a high stress draw situation adrenaline will make a heavy DA trigger pull feel like nothing. No one knows how they’re going to react in that situation unless you have experienced it and I have not. I want to minimize my chance of an accidental discharge because, of course, no one wants to live with having shot the wrong person or themself. So I practice the way I personally feel comfortable. The more I practice I may change my style but that’s where I’m at right now.

[Gunnerdad80]

And I do mean hammer down with safety on, not half-cocked or full-cocked. Also I’m not in law enforcement or military service. I don’t make it a practice of putting my finger on the trigger when drawing but can anyone predict with 100% accuracy that they would NEVER do something like that accidentally in a high stress situation? Especially if they’ve never been in that situation? For ME, at this point and time, I’m not willing to take that risk. Like I said before, I just practice as much as possible in the style I’m most comfortable with. If you’ve ever been shot, trust me, bullets hurt when the shock of being shot wears off. And no I didn’t shoot myself.