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Offline armoredman

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A watershed moment on the way?
« on: November 26, 2019, 09:33:11 PM »
The New York case against carry restrictions gets heard on Dec 2nd at SCOTUS. This is a Cam and Co review of what might happen.

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2019, 05:35:24 PM »
Thanks for posting.  I wasn't up to speed on how municipalities we making "work a-rounds" to the 2nd admendment.

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2019, 02:22:16 AM »
Oral arguments were not recorded, but apparently only three justices asked questions, and RBG and Sotometyer asked why the case was even there - they have a vested interest in keeping it mooted.

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2019, 09:40:12 PM »
Thanks for the update

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 12:31:31 PM »
Oral arguments were not recorded, but apparently only three justices asked questions, and RBG and Sotometyer asked why the case was even there - they have a vested interest in keeping it mooted.

It's a valid question. The original case was based on State laws that have since been changed making any ruling concerning those SPECIFIC laws moot. The Supreme Court has specific criteria for hearing a case that limits arguments to the specific case filed and not something different in scope. It's like someone brought a suit to bring back original Coke but by the time it gets to SCOTUS they want to argue about White Claw.

Having said that I'm glad they are looking at the issue and hope we get some clarity.
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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2019, 03:10:49 AM »
The issue with mootness is the fact that they obviously changed the law to avoid SCOTUS review, since they won at the District level. If they were sure the law would pass muster they would have defended it. This also means that there is nothing stopping them from simply changing the law back after the Court dismisses it as moot...and the whole vicious cycle starts all over again. Then there is the blatant threat against The Court that if they DON'T judge it moot, then the Demonrats will pack the court, expand it to 11 or more and pack those new spots with leftist justices, which IS legal under the Constitution, since there is nothing that says what size the court has to be. I think at one time it was 11. FDR tried this once, too, and, IIRC, the Court caved in order to not be rendered a liberal sidebar.

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2019, 02:52:06 PM »
Pretty narrow scope of actual "gun issues" here.  I don't see it as a watershed moment but anything helps in this environment.

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2019, 05:15:21 PM »
And one of the big names behind the efforts to take our guns/rights, Michael Bloomberg, just put out a big add about why the Supreme Court is endangering all of us by looking at this case at it could result in dismantling "necessary" gun safety laws all across the country.
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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2019, 10:30:32 PM »
We can only hope that all kids of laws get dismantled.  8) ;D

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2020, 11:06:34 PM »
The issue with mootness is the fact that they obviously changed the law to avoid SCOTUS review, since they won at the District level. If they were sure the law would pass muster they would have defended it. This also means that there is nothing stopping them from simply changing the law back after the Court dismisses it as moot...and the whole vicious cycle starts all over again. Then there is the blatant threat against The Court that if they DON'T judge it moot, then the Demonrats will pack the court, expand it to 11 or more and pack those new spots with leftist justices, which IS legal under the Constitution, since there is nothing that says what size the court has to be. I think at one time it was 11. FDR tried this once, too, and, IIRC, the Court caved in order to not be rendered a liberal sidebar.
I believe it is actually worse than this because AFTER NYC changed the law and files a petition for mootness which was denied the state of NY stepped in and enacted a law that would not allow a local government to issue "special permits" like the NYC Transport Permit. THey then filed another petition for Mootness.

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Re: A watershed moment on the way?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2020, 09:03:47 AM »
I think NY changed the law somewhat after it was accepted by scotus hoping that scotus would kick it back out, but I don't think that scotus ever did and decided to hear the case anyway.

I do not remember hearing anything about this since.
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