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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2019, 10:42:27 PM »
Also, short life on one of my cheaper ones was caused by me overloading it trying to speed things up. When I loaded it too heavy the motor got a lot hotter.

One way around this is realize that the motors are sized for a specific load. One way to "tune" the load to the motor is to turn the unit ON. As the unit vibrates, pour in either your tumbling media from a separate container OR your brass. At some point the brass/media mixture will start to "churn". Stop pouring when things are moving as they should.

After a couple of sessions like this you'll learn what the proper churn looks like.

• If you want to keep your tumbler full of media, then you'll be pouring in your brass. The churn will tell you when to stop adding brass.

• If you want to keep your media in a separate container, then you'll be starting with your brass dancing around in the tumbler while you add the media. Again, the churn will tell you when to stop adding media.

Not only will you get better/faster cleaning results (because the churn is optimized), but your motor will never be over-loaded.

Side Note: This is also the proper time of year to buy a 2 hour Christmas light timer (Like This) which you can plug your tumbler into. This is a great thing to have as a "backup plan" in case you get called away suddenly.

Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 09:29:27 AM by Wobbly »
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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2019, 11:15:02 PM »
When I was selling police range brass I had 3 of the Frankford tumblers. The most used one did 1500 POUNDS a year for 3 years and is still going. Never overloaded as it was used as Wobbly said.  Weighed each load.

Sold the newest one and still have 2 but now only personal use.
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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2019, 03:13:07 PM »
Wobbly,

Thanks for that explanation on how to properly load the tumbler.  I don't think I ever did that or know if my father ever did that (he does all of the cleaning).

Looking forward to this new tumbler.  And if I ever have time I will get my wet tumbler built. 
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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2019, 04:41:03 PM »
Thanks for that explanation on how to properly load the tumbler.  I don't think I ever did that or know if my father ever did that (he does all of the cleaning).


After killing a Dillon CV-500 and running a CV-750 into the ground, I decided step back and think about the problem. This method was what I came up with. I don't know that's it original thinking, or simply common sense, but it seems to work because I stopped sending truck loads of money to Scottsdale, AZ.    ;D


One other lesson....

DO NOT use the pet type of corn cob media. Yes, it's the same corn cob, but it's much larger and much more coarse. Meaning some of it always gets stuck in even straight-walled brass. It won't come out in the sieve, but it will come out in your case feeder and jam the works !

The best deal I've found on dry corn cob tumbling media is on Amazon (delivered free via Prime)...
Frankford Arsenal 15 lb Bag for $18.00
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0063GT330?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details

« Last Edit: December 22, 2019, 02:14:01 PM by Wobbly »
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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2019, 01:52:13 AM »
The best corn cob media is 20-40 grit blasting media from zoro.com.  It's $27.25 for a 40 pound bag, and with zoro, shipping is free for orders over $50.00.

Here's the link:  https://www.zoro.com/econoline-blast-media-corn-cobb-size-2040-40-lb-526040z-40/i/G2641952/

Zoro is owned by Grainger, so just about anything Grainger's sells, Zoro sells, so it's easy to get a $50.00 order together.  If you sign up for their emails, they often have sales, which can lower the cost even more.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2019, 08:54:43 AM »
The best corn cob media is 20-40 grit blasting media from zoro.com.  It's $27.25 for a 40 pound bag, and with zoro, shipping is free for orders over $50.00.

Here's the link:  https://www.zoro.com/econoline-blast-media-corn-cobb-size-2040-40-lb-526040z-40/i/G2641952/

Zoro is owned by Grainger, so just about anything Grainger's sells, Zoro sells, so it's easy to get a $50.00 order together.  If you sign up for their emails, they often have sales, which can lower the cost even more.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Yup. I agree. I still have to open up the second 40 pound bag I ordered in order to get the free shipping. You can also get 15% off of $150 order offer when you sign up for their emails.

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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2019, 11:56:50 PM »
My 1st was a lyman and it died in about 1 year. The bearing bushing failed.

then i bough a used Dillon 1200 from my lGS.  He used it and and moved up.  its still running.

but you really dont want to overload them since they will work better if not overloaded.

as far as media goes, look for an "industrial" abrasive shop in your area.  We have some here and i can get walnut/corncob for cheap.  Its usually in a large bag so i just split it with someone.

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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2019, 08:59:44 AM »
Got the tumbler.  Boy is it quiet compared to the others I've had.

Will wait to test it until after Christmas - it is a gift for my Dad (to clean brass for me  O0)

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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2019, 11:08:10 AM »
Quote from: Dan_69GTX link=topic=107468.msg836462 #msg836462 date=1576591184
Will wait to test it until after Christmas - it is a gift for my Dad (to clean brass for me  O0)

This is so wrong  or very smart. I’ll go with the latter since I had done the same with my dad O0  O0

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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2019, 07:27:20 AM »
My first Franklin Arsenal vibratory cleaner lasted 8 or 9 years.  Sometimes I'd forget to turn it off and it would run all night.  I'd hear it when I went to the garage to get the car to drive to work.  The bearings went out on the motor.

I bought bearings, replaced them and it still didn't work right.

I bought another Franklin Arsenal vibratory cleaner ($35 on sale at Cabela's made it hard to pass up).

That one lasted all of about 1&1/2 years before the metal frame around the bearing wore through.  No idea how that happened.  By then I'd bought another one and was running one to "clean" brass crushed walnut shell media and one to "polish" brass with crushed walnut shell media and nufinish car wax. 

So I had a fairly new one that died and a really new one that was running great.  Then it hit me, grab the original one (I put everything in the bowl and set it on a shelf, somewhere in the garage - I have trouble throwing stuff away) and see if the parts were the same.  They were.  Grabbed the motor frame pieces from that first one that was going on 10 years old by then) and fix the 2nd one.

So, as I type this I still have two running Frankford Arsenal unit.  But they are only 2 to 3 years old.

No idea how much brass they clean.  Sometimes I clean brass a couple times.  Clean it, I may resize/bell the pistol brass and set it aside to reload and then get sidetracked by another project/caliber/pistol/rifle and it's a couple years till I grab that brass again.  It sat there and tarnished some, so it goes through the polisher again to be nice and bright and shiny before I reload it.

It's tough fore me to spend $80 on something if I can get a similar one (seems similar on the surface of it, I know) for $35.  Like the PSA 18" AR15 upper I bought.  I paid nearly as much for a brand name barrel and the bolt I used was fairly expensive as well for another 18" build.  Took both to the range and if the cheap PSA rifle didn't shoot as well, if not slightly better, then I haven't built/shot a single AR in my life.  One offs don't prove anything.  But sometimes you get lucky and it makes it hard to tell best from better.

Good luck with what ever model/brand you buy.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2019, 09:22:44 PM »
I use large, older model Dillon that my Dad purchased years ago.  He and his buddies loaded a lot of ammo back in the ‘90s and this tumbler definitely saw some use!  It sat for quite a few years until I started reloading 5-6 years ago.  I sent it back to Dillon for a little work a few years back (the old ones have a lifetime warranty), and they replaced the cord, the lid gasket and the lid hold down knob.  Despite these wear items, it was still running strong.  I wired both the Dillon and a Thumblers for wet tumbling with timer switch outlets so I can run them for a set time and not worry about remembering to turn them off.  Works great!

Based on the service from this old Dillon, I would definitely buy another when the time comes.




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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2019, 12:26:36 PM »
My Dillon has given me over 25 years of service and still works but I have moved on to wet tumbling it is much faster and cleaner I can do a 20 lb load and have it dry and ready to reload in about an hour and a half using DC Armory brass cleaning concentrate. I'll do 5 or 6 loads in a afternoon and have several months worth of brass for reloading.
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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2019, 02:06:53 PM »
+1 on Dillon.  Mines pushing 20 and never missed a beat.   I’ve used it hard and it’s been great.  Dillon customer service is top notch to boot.


The smaller Dillon CV-500 didn't fare so well. They had to replace a lot of motors, and then finally the replacement motor was no longer available. Then they introduced the CV-750 which has been OK.

But the larger CV-2000 has always been a workhorse tumbler. In part because (getting back to the filling by churn technique discussed earlier) it's probably hard to find enough brass to over-fill this monster.

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Re: Dry media tumbler - what will last more than 1-2 years - any of them?
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2019, 11:13:14 AM »
Maybe I just got lucky. I've been using the same Lyman tumbler since about 2000. I do a couple hundred cases a week for about a hour. With Hornady media they come out looking like new. I'll never go back to Lyman media.
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