CZ Poll....read and vote!

[MadDuner]

CZ should just keep doing what they are doing.  I see nothing wrong with the quality of their weapons.  Leaving a little room for the aftermarket guys to make parts and do custom work is just good business.

[The Guardian]

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No business makes their product mediocre if they can make it better for the same money. They don't hold back because what they do is good enough in a competitive market like hand guns. To assume that " the factory could do for basically what a production gun currently costs." is conjecture and flawed in my opinion. CZ makes the best gun they can for the price point they have data to prove people will continue to pay. They want to make the best gun for the price they can. To assume they can just throw a few more bucks at every gun and still be good is ………. incorrect.

You would have to pay more for a better spring or better triggers, but then people would complain and buy something cheaper. I understand wanting a better gun for the same money, I don't understand thinking you can get one.

RCG

Appreciate the input.....though I have a different view on the points you mention it’s always interesting to hear different opinions.  Seems a lot of folks are diehards for what CZ does and won’t venture outside the box a bit or at all for that matter.....guess we can expect the same cz75 for the next 45 years because that’s all CZ offers and that’s all folks really want apparently....or is it the other way around? 

[Earl Keese]

Why pay more to get an upgraded gun without the option to tune it the way I want? Some Sigs are way more expensive and people still go to Grayguns for upgrades. For me, it's just fine to buy a quality "base" gun with great ergos and choose improvements myself.

[recoilguy]

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No business makes their product mediocre if they can make it better for the same money. They don't hold back because what they do is good enough in a competitive market like hand guns. To assume that " the factory could do for basically what a production gun currently costs." is conjecture and flawed in my opinion. CZ makes the best gun they can for the price point they have data to prove people will continue to pay. They want to make the best gun for the price they can. To assume they can just throw a few more bucks at every gun and still be good is ………. incorrect.

You would have to pay more for a better spring or better triggers, but then people would complain and buy something cheaper. I understand wanting a better gun for the same money, I don't understand thinking you can get one.

RCG

Appreciate the input.....though I have a different view on the points you mention it’s always interesting to hear different opinions.  Seems a lot of folks are diehards for what CZ does and won’t venture outside the box a bit or at all for that matter.....guess we can expect the same cz75 for the next 45 years because that’s all CZ offers and that’s all folks really want apparently....or is it the other way around? 

They (CZ) make different or upgraded guns, they just charge appropriately. Which is just good business in my opinion. Some do not want to pay for that and think CZ should just give it to them because they want it.  Interesting but do not assume you will just get the same old CZ for the next 75 years. you will get the same 75B for the next 75 years as long as the public buys it and they will make upgraded ones and charge appropriately as long as the public buys them as well. Right now CZ sells every 75B they make and every upgrade as well. If I were in charge of CZ I would continue making 75B's just as they are and selling every one we make. If anyone wanted to upgrade they can or they can buy our upgraded versions.

If you want an upgraded 75 for the money you pay for a 75 buy a TriStar and have it worked on by C J Mavens or the guys at Cajun.

RCG

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

There seems to be a good bit of talk about springs and we all know lighter springs are generally a fast avenue to lighter and smoother actions. Lighter springs can also be the fastest avenue to miss fires as well. The thing is CZ's are still service grade guns and while the factory springs are heavy they are also good quality and hold up well and you can be sure the gun will fire when you need it to and CZ knows that to.

[Steve Menegon]

Personally, I liked the guns right out of the box. I started to change things only after shooting, evaluating, and reading on this site. I made my decisions and purchased parts , performed work I wanted, and the end result I hoped for at that time. The base starting point is a darn good one. The upside even better.

I think everyone has made good points. The choices we have keeps life interesting.

[DenStinett]

Not to take anything away for CZC or CGW, but if CZ offered their own "Custom Shop" level of Guns, they'd make a killing; given the success of the other two

Or is CZC, CZ's "Custom" Shop        

[MadDuner]

Not to take anything away for CZC or CGW, but if CZ offered their own "Custom Shop" level of Guns, they'd make a killing; given the success of the other two

Or is CZC, CZ's "Custom" Shop        

When people boast about Glocks.... one of the top positives about them is the availability of aftermarket support.  Aftermarket providers strengthens any products standing in a marketplace.  Back in the day - the Chrysler Corporation tried to shut out aftermarket participation for their products, and it still haunts the “brand” today.

[RoverSig]

CZ’s are very good the way they are built, and come at a competitive price.  They can be improved, but exactly how and at what cost is up to the individual. 

Overall, this is pretty much perfect.

[briang2ad]

I realize that NO production guns could satisfy all the tweaking 'necessary' to shooters in the US, and that most people would come up with different mods as they could, but there are some that ONLY make sense given what we know with MODERN manufacturing techniques and procedures:

- Reprogram the CNC machine to do better cuts into the front and backstraps for gripping. e.g. - those on the P01 are nice looking but useless.  Something IN BETWEEN the Shadow 2 and SP01.

- Beavertail = no brainer

- Better sights period OTB.  There was an attempt on the Omega.

- MUCH better QC on the manufacturing of the FCG parts.  Most of the guns I've felt lately are just miserable - they were much better 5 years ago.

- turn them out with a better hammer which is configured for the extended sights that are standard on the Omega.  The old round style is just late 80s junk. 

- Nitride.  Polycoat is just not that good, and again is early 90s East Euro nonsense.  Nitride is SO much better than Cerakote it isn't funny, and with CNC milling, the finishing can be done with no real mods. 

The point is that with some modest changes they could OWN SIG/HK.  They can get away with crap because their guns shoot well enough and CGW exists.  I've pointed this out numerous times before, but life goes on.

Asians had better cell phone service than we have now for 2 decades.  This is because the American consumer has been happy with crap.  I think it is the same way with some guns.  Of course, communists with their dictator schemes on gun bans tend to drive up demand so much, that we get low QC and are happy.  So... we live with much less than we could have.  Remember - the left won't stop until all is destroyed. 

[arthurstearl]

Like I said if I can hit a 4in swinging Target at 35 yards 10 times in a row I love my Omega. All the best out of box guns I've ever had

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[larryflew]

Guessing most handgun buyers want good feel, good price and easy to shoot well which is 75B.  They have no clue that any upgrades are even out there.  That means CZ adding anything bumps the price beyond competative.

IE many years ago a friend let me shoot his 75. I was sold. Switched my carry to PCR and found I didn't like decocker so I bought my first 75B. Was great for a long time. Got into some competition shoots and bought an SP01, upgraded what I could (fun in itself deciding and doing) and then went to SP01 Shadow. Couple upgrades later I am satisfied. Still have several 75Bs in stainless, blued, nickel and regular finishes that shoot just great but would no longer shoot comp with those. Just as accurate but not as fast. Carry the Canik version of the PCR since it's a safety alloy compact.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

There can always be room for improvement with any gun yet CZ's are still one of the best deals going at the current price points. I recently developed an interest in a full size Sig to go with the 3 compacts I have. After checking out SIX DIFFERENT P226 MK25's at  two different dealers I lost interest pretty quickly. Absolutely the saddest, sorriest stock trigger with the mushiest reset I've felt in years.The short reach trigger is a joke as well. The MK25 comes in anywhere from $800-$1000+ depending on the dealer and with another $300 to upgrade the trigger,add the short reset kit, and X-ray3 sights it just wasn't worth the cost to me.

[briang2ad]

MK 25 can be a bad comparison. The phosphating of the TCG yields a very stiff and gritty trigger.  I bought a P229 ECC last year for the mid sixes that has an awesomely smooth trigger with a cray short reset (which I don't need).  You would spend MUCH more to make a CZ as good. 

Some of the tweaks mentioned here would really not raise cost - especially once the upgrade is made. 

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

My 2 M11-A1's are phosphate coated internally as well and it has zero to do with it. The action is smooth out of the box and the reset is short and perfect like it should be.The M11's come with the short reset parts already installed and the MK25 does not and it needs those parts desperately. as far as that goes the stupidly designed Sig short reach trigger needed to be tossed from those guns and an intermediate adjustable trigger from Gray Guns needed to be installed to make the M11's righteous plus the Siglite sights suck just as bad as the CZ factory sights. If Sig was using there heads they'd just put Xray-3's on everything period. For what Sigs sell for they should be doing some upgrading as well.