CZ Poll....read and vote!

[The Guardian]

Just curious what folks think.....I've seen on-line reviews of "customized" CZ's and heard reviewers say "...this is what a production CZ should be".   I tend to agree with that train of thought in that CZ's are so close to performing at the "custom" gun level with so little improvement necessary, why doesn't CZ just make a world class gun by incorporation simple changes in basic production parts, I hesitate to even say improvements, they are just different parts.  That's my premise for this poll, just wanted to see what others are thinking.

[Scarlett Pistol]

I think all of the hammer fired CZ pistols should be transitioned the frames with upswept beaver tailed and undercut trigger guards. Minimum to the SP-01 but better like the Shadow 2.

Maybe just springs or some smoothing for the DA. Those old pre-b’s have a really nice DA trigger. Yes, I know they do not have the FPB system... but when they added that it really had an impact. Just a quick polish on a few key parts... a few improved springs. It would go a long ways if they could keep that in the range of maybe +50.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I've never had an issue with the frame configuration on the full size or compact models. CZ to me have always been ergonomically perfect compared to just about anything else. Only 3 things I'd change  would be for CZ to include better sight options from the factory to include some of the better aftermarket designs and get rid of the new style re-curve trigger they use today in favor of the old style thick of 85 style trigger. Abandoning the polycoat finish and nitriding the metal framed guns would be an awesome improvement too.

[M1A4ME]

I'm happy with mine as they are. 

Most of them are better, out of the box, that other pistols I've bought before my first CZ or in the last few months when I've wasted money trying to find something that shoots even better (XD 5", M&P 5", couple of FNS pistols and extra slides).  No luck with any of those, yet.  Yet, means I'm spending even more money for upgraded triggers/barrels/sights, etc. and still not up to CZ levels.

You know, it would be nice if CZ offered (and I'm not the first one to say it) a sub compact version of the P07/P09 line.  One of the FNS pistols I bought was a Compact.  Ten rounds of .40 S&W in a much smaller package than the P07 with 12 rounds of .40.  For states with a 10 round limit, the additional grip length of the P07 is wasted when you have to stick a 10 round magazine in it (and the 9MM is even worse, you stick a 10 round magazine in a mag well made for 15 or 16 rounds.

And, how about a compact, or even sub compact in .45 acp? 

[arthurstearl]

I really don't know about all the customization. But my CZ is one of the best made guns I own. Anytime I can hit a 4 inch piece of steel 35 yards with a crap ammo 10 out of 16 times. The other six are because my arm gets tired I miss you can't argue with that love this gun

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[The Guardian]

Really much of the customization feel CZ’s get are from lighter springs everywhere in the gun. After working extensively on several dozen CZ’s, changing all the spring weights in the gun is where the biggest WOW factor is....CZ should just do this very simple thing from the factory. Parts like triggers, hammers, barrel bushing, sights, or grips are things a person can change to further enhance performance to smaller degree.

[AZ_CZ]

Keep them the way they are:

• it's a proven hammer spring weight that works with all types of ammo/primers
• why bump up the price when I can change out springs for just a few dollars - if I want to
• buyers won't be happy, "oh it's too light, oh it's not light enough, oh the new spring is causing climate change"
• lighter hammer spring could negatively impact Kadet kit performance if too light

[bang bang]

the way i see things is that at one time bare bone CZs were reallynice guns for the money.

I understand you comp people wanting toys to play your games and to compete, but why not you all just buy OTS and put your money into it instead of forcing us with limited $$ and wallets to finance your hobbies?

It really comes down to if CZ has any forsight or vision who will be able to afford to buy their toys if they get to expensive.  Once they get over a certain price point, whatever that is, then many people wont buy one or will look for other toys.  Once that happens, good luck getting anyone back. Yes, there will be those that will always buy something inexpensive, but to me, once they get too expensive, i wont be looking at them anytime soon since i know where they see their customer base and it wont be me.

[Practical Shooter]

I am extremely happy as is, and what ever gun, or CZ I purchase, it will end up being customized to fit my needs anyway.
So don't change anything, and keep that price point.

[larryflew]

They are the best factory guns out there IMO and upgrades are reasonable. Prices are more than competative. Climb the ladder to the better comp models if that's your thing.

Options from maufacturer are costly. I used to work for an appliance mfg.  Eliminating 4 screws on the back panel resulted in $5 less by the time it made retail. $5 on a $200 item doesn't seem like a lot but sales increased by 18% by ending up $2 less than the competition.

[recoilguy]

They are the best factory guns out there IMO and upgrades are reasonable. Prices are more than competative. Climb the ladder to the better comp models if that's your thing.

Options from maufacturer are costly. I used to work for an appliance mfg.  Eliminating 4 screws on the back panel resulted in $5 less by the time it made retail. $5 on a $200 item doesn't seem like a lot but sales increased by 18% by ending up $2 less than the competition.

Wow that says a lot about people right there

RCG

[Togmaster]

They are great guns. That's why I keep buying them.

[The Guardian]

They are the best factory guns out there IMO and upgrades are reasonable. Prices are more than competative. Climb the ladder to the better comp models if that's your thing.

Options from maufacturer are costly. I used to work for an appliance mfg.  Eliminating 4 screws on the back panel resulted in $5 less by the time it made retail. $5 on a $200 item doesn't seem like a lot but sales increased by 18% by ending up $2 less than the competition.

I concur on the best production guns available as well......I guess in starting this thread I wanted to make the point that CZ's could be better production guns with really no cost increase, I get folks are happy with the way they are now, BUT they could be noticeably better with really little to no additional cost from the factory......the term "custom" as it applies to CZ's for most folks seems to mean major changes from what the factory production gun is.....the reality is its just replacing one spring with a different one, one trigger with a different trigger, ect...   I get not everyone works on guns but when you do its a no-brainer, why should the gun owner have to pay $300 in parts to do what the factory could do for basically what a production gun currently costs......just thinking out loud 

[Claymore504]

I think they should leave them as is. There is a reason we love them. If someone wants to make some changes that is an option.

[recoilguy]

They are the best factory guns out there IMO and upgrades are reasonable. Prices are more than competative. Climb the ladder to the better comp models if that's your thing.

Options from maufacturer are costly. I used to work for an appliance mfg.  Eliminating 4 screws on the back panel resulted in $5 less by the time it made retail. $5 on a $200 item doesn't seem like a lot but sales increased by 18% by ending up $2 less than the competition.

I concur on the best production guns available as well......I guess in starting this thread I wanted to make the point that CZ's could be better production guns with really no cost increase, I get folks are happy with the way they are now, BUT they could be noticeably better with really little to no additional cost from the factory......the term "custom" as it applies to CZ's for most folks seems to mean major changes from what the factory production gun is.....the reality is its just replacing one spring with a different one, one trigger with a different trigger, ect...   I get not everyone works on guns but when you do its a no-brainer, why should the gun owner have to pay $300 in parts to do what the factory could do for basically what a production gun currently costs......just thinking out loud 

No business makes their product mediocre if they can make it better for the same money. They don't hold back because what they do is good enough in a competitive market like hand guns. To assume that " the factory could do for basically what a production gun currently costs." is conjecture and flawed in my opinion. CZ makes the best gun they can for the price point they have data to prove people will continue to pay. They want to make the best gun for the price they can. To assume they can just throw a few more bucks at every gun and still be good is ………. incorrect.

You would have to pay more for a better spring or better triggers, but then people would complain and buy something cheaper. I understand wanting a better gun for the same money, I don't understand thinking you can get one.

RCG