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Re: 75B-what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2020, 03:39:12 AM »
Looks like the CGW bushing for an SP01 9MM would allow you to install a thicker SP01 barrel in a standard CZ75 slide - but the description says those bushings will not allow the use of a threaded barrel (for the compensator.)
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: 75B-what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2020, 11:16:13 AM »
I asked CGW about this specifically when I called them a while back. Well, It was when I was going to build the 75B out, so I was asking if I could used an SP-01 bushing (or any bushing, 10x whatever) to use the SP-01 threaded barrel. They said no that would not work - to my memory recollection about a month ago. Something about the slide profile being different.
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2020, 01:12:38 PM »
Could be it.  I had to modify the inside of the slide (up front) to use a "modern" CZ75 barrel in my Pre B CZ85.

CZ is known for changing thing up every so often, and then doing it again, and again, and....well we get the idea.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2020, 09:30:19 AM »
hmm. that is good to know.
So I ended up ordering a threaded barrel and few other small parts last night. Hoping to get the barrel fitted and start working with HS-6. Compensator and other parts to come along later.
Anyone have a thread protector in the meantime? I didn't see that in the list of parts they offered.
Thx.
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2020, 11:30:41 AM »
OK, funds are a bit more limited, and I need to brush up on tuning, so... unless I find a few hamiltons under a rock, looks like I will be switching out all the SAO racegun stuff from my old 75B into the SP-01. Barrel should be here soon(ish). This will free up cash to get the PD124s I've been waiting to order for a while.
It will most likely be done in Phases: sear, trigger, slide. Updates to come.
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2020, 06:00:45 PM »
Update...
CZ sent package shipped by Fed Ex. Package was delivered last Monday, confirmed by tracking # and phone call, "to the area around the mailbox", as the Fed Exp person said. That's right folks! The Fed Ex delivery person chose to sit this one package down by the mailbox on the street, since it did not require a signature. I thought that CZ was taking their own sweet time to get the parts up, turns out it was delivery. I checked the porch and mailbox every single day when I get home and wife double checked and nothing. Nothing on the porch either.

EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME any package is delivered by them it has been left on the porch. They conveniently chose this one time to just leave it by the mailbox? Really? I let the rep know - with a multitude of expletives - just how happy I was that they are now leaving gun parts on the street for anyone to just come and pick up. "But the driver doesn't know what is in the package" they said. Now I know that CZ ain't as popular as Remington and Glock and smith and Wesson and such, but I'm wondering if this is a coincidence or something more.

CZ was very understanding and prompt to reply. But, or course, that was the last one they had in stock so back ordered for a couple of months. FML! At least I got TRUK running this weekend!

New custom grips should be here tomorrow!
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2020, 09:41:56 PM »
After disgruntled mumblings/venting/discussion with others and thinking it over, its probably just simple mistake, like I make every day. I never posted about all the times they got it right.. Hoping for some parts by the weekend. Good vibes keep rollin...
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2020, 08:16:20 AM »
My youngest son is working on his "new" old car, a 98 BMW convertible.  He'd ordered some parts from Bimmerworld???

When he got home from work, as he pulled into his driveway, he saw some stuff sitting on the well cover (about 10 ft. or so off the road and 150 feet from his house).  He stopped the van, got out to look and there sat his BMW parts.

It's not just FedEx either.  Some other parts he ordered (also from Bimmer World) were put in the mail (USPS) and he paid extra for 2 day shipping.  We are about 4 hrs. drive from Bimmer World as it's out in western VA.  After 3 or 4 days they finally told him (USPS) that the package had been lost, then taken to the wrong post office.  He asked if he could just go pick up the package and they told him that wasn't allowed.  It had to go back to a regional facility, then be sent to the right post office and then delivered by the mail man/woman  -  as if nothing screwy had happened.

Took another 5 days for him to get the package.  So he paid extra for 2 day delivery and got the package 8 days later.  He told them next time he'd just drive out there and pick the stuff up.

Good luck getting your parts.  It can be frustrating have to wait longer.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2020, 04:23:37 PM »
It's just odd that the only screwy deliveries come in gun parts boxes. Couple years ago, I ordered some itialina M1 Carbine bayonets for Christmas gifts. They were delivered to some address on the other end of the culdasak.

I got an email with a new tracking order for everything on the original order including threaded barrel, so we will see what shows up.

I got new prototype grips in last night, but I can't try them out because I don't have a flat hammer spring retainer yet. It was in the cz box to be delivered... more to come.
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2020, 11:40:15 AM »
Threaded Barrel is fitted. I wouldn't wish this on anyone except those that are glutton for punishment. 2nd time around would probably go MUCH faster, now that I know what to look for and such.
Lockup seems tight. Tighter than the stock non threaded factory barrel anyway. Test Run at the range this afternoon.
I used this excellent video as a guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLJfaOJwlJM
My measurements were from the front edge of the barrel lug:
New Barrel:
  left side (long side): 1.1085
  right side (triangle): 1.1170
Old Barrel:
  left side (long side): 1.1025
  right side (triangle): 1.0995

I used a combination of three items, a small flat gunsmithing file, a large fine metal file and a fine diamond sharpening stone.
I started off facing up the sides and getting them square and the original coating off. Took measurement and about the same. then started applying some pressure with the small flat gunsmiting file and took another measurement and saw some change, I was wanting to get a feel for how much pressure, how many strokes equated to 1000th. Then I moved to the triangle side and did the same and was VERY surprised at how fast the material flew off that side. Then looking at it it all made sense, there is much less surface area on the triangle side(like about a 1/10th) and its actually kind of like a pyrimid that you are whacking the top off of, so yeah it goes fast, don't let the numbers fool you (I was thinking that the larger variance/oversized on the triangle meant I would be spending most of the time on that side when in fact that is just he opposite!) I tried to get good pics with the DSLR but I fubarred the settings.

I was pretty nervous about it , but once I got the feel of the files, its GTG (going slow). I ended up doing most of the work in a bench vise, and finished up an a lead bag at the kitchen table. It took me about 2.5 hours total. At the end I was was getting tired and cross eyed, but finally got it to start to lockup. It really helps to have a known barrel to go by. There is an angle in the slide that almost touches the barrel and the gap is 1 or 2 mm. I used that as a guide to how close I was getting to lockup and how much more I had to go once locked started to happen. Once you start the interference fit, you can tap the bottom lug on a piece of wood and get it to " stick", then it takes a bit of pressure pushing down on the barrel through the ejection port to get it to "un-stick"
 and drop free. Once it starts doing that, make sure you are using sharpie or die and just hitting the high spots. I was actually using the sharpie well before that but not seeing much results. Just kept filing away, constantly measuring. Also keep in mind that on the long left side, you have to keep that surface flat as possible. I ended up using two filing methods I think worked fairly well to keep it flat. First was bench vise with the large fine metal file. The wider file (compared to the small gunsmithing file) made it easier to determine how flat and square you are. When using the small gunsmithing file, I had the barrel anchored, pushed the file with right hand and applied downward pressure with the first three fingertips of the left hand (hard to explain, but just think machine lathe and you'll get it). The small file was very short deliberate stroke, the large file was a longer smoother gliding stroke, the sharpening stone was a very fast honing stroke (using the flattest corner).

There was one spot on the left side face that kept showing. It seemed like a small protrusion on the breechface. I inspected the face and it looked Ok. I got the gunsmith file that looked like the front of a boat(kind of rounded and bowed at the point), and did very fine/small strokes on that particular high spot on the barrel. Then another round of stone polishing and sharpie and it got smaller, so repeated and did the same until it was done. I'm left sort of wondering if that high spot was a protrusion on the breech face, or me just not staying flat with the facing. I t could be that latter because it was pretty much in the middle of the long left side and was a longer oval that matched the proportion of the left side of you smoothed it out with an ellipse and shrunk it down about 1/5 th size.
Kept on with that and eventually it dropped in good and tight. I'm about to plunk all rounds through it. Testing this afternoon.
Some limited pics to come. Learned a TON being a literal the mid-night gunsmith!
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2020, 12:01:34 AM »
Crazy week! Swapped the internals of my guns(75B goes back to DA/SA and the 01 gets the good cajun SAO stuff). Saved a bunch of $$$ was a pain in the ass, but ultimately worth it - I re-learned a lot about the internals lets just say.
Second test was so so. I had issues with reset that I found out were due to a loose mag catch spring. But the gun cycled and shot great! Still have a few parts on the way but when I got the reset right and got rid of the FP block, this gun feels great, trigger is amazing!

Besides the obvious upgrades, the Ext S2 safety is nice upgrade, the S2 mag catch is great as well.

Also PO put a MCarbo kit in it that has a high tensile strenght FP retainer. It was a bastard to get out. Had to make my own nipple punches and bent a few drifts on the way out, but it's GONE! replaced with stock and more spares on the way.







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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2020, 03:57:15 PM »
So more steps in the right direction.
Just hit the local shops for primers and also snagged THE LAST BOTTLE of Power Pistol in town. Just ordered a case of PD124s - tried all different kinds of coupon codes and no dice. Who knows when they will ship. I figure better to buy bullets and powder now vs the comp. Comp will come next payday (assuming there is one lol)..

Shot the SP-01 this past weekend with the short reset (FP spacer). Worked great! I'm almost out of assembled ammo, how to pass the time...
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2020, 04:57:19 PM »
New age,

Where did you get the grips and magwell?  They look 3-d printed, are they?  If so, how are they holding up?

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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2020, 05:25:30 PM »
A guy on CZ FB group did them. They are pretty awesome! If you wants, PM me and I'll ask if he can make more. He had different colors and grip textures as well. Nobody else seems to care but I can't believe no one has done it before. I haven't ran it hard yet or dropped it, but seems ok durability wise. I would think that if you drop it on a corner, then yeah it's gone, but for $40/pr I could not say no.

There is a small gap on the heel of the gun about 1/16". Besides that they fit well and shot well. I had to sand down the stock mag bases. He normally sends mag bases, but I felt better about 5 min sanding the stock ones. I had a friend print out mag bases a while a go and they are OK, but the locking hole is off. Simpler to just sand the stock bases off my Mec-Gars.

Its kind of funny that I don't mind a gap on the gripwell, but I can't stand 1/32 on the safety that I fitted.

I just ordered an X-Y slide table for the drill press, started smithing with a loupe, and now have feeler gauges on my desk so stuff about to get real...
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Re: 75B/SP-01: what is required to shoot 9mm major-comped barrel and ???
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2020, 07:23:54 PM »
Nice, I'm interested in hearing how they hold up.  Not in the market but was pondering if 3-D printed grips and other parts were a viable solution.

Cheers,
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