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Offline Rdneck

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Failed to fire
« on: January 01, 2020, 05:29:33 PM »
I put 200 of my reloads through my Shadow 2 this afternoon.  The first 100 ran fine as usual, but during the second 100 there were 6 that didn't fire because the primers did not detonate.  I actually dropped the hammer on a couple of them three or four times without them firing.  I use these reloads in a P-01, a 1911, and a G19 in addition to the S2 and I've never had this issue in any gun.  The rounds were loaded in December and I've been using CCI 500 primers and W231 powder for about 3 years.  I have changed projectiles a few times.  The gun has 4,000 rounds on it and is bone stock.  All I've done is shoot it and clean it. I can't think of a cause unless it's time for some kind of maintenance?  I would appreciate it if you guys could help me out.

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2020, 06:59:37 PM »
The gun has 4,000 rounds on it and is bone stock.  All I've done is shoot it and clean it.
Have you cleaned firing pin and channel?

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2020, 09:00:21 PM »
The gun has 4,000 rounds on it and is bone stock.  All I've done is shoot it and clean it.
Have you cleaned firing pin and channel?
I have not.  It looks like it has a firing pin stop like a 1911?
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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2020, 09:19:37 PM »
 Did those rounds fire from another gun after failing in the S2? That would be the first thing I'd check.

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2020, 11:41:12 PM »
I have not.  It looks like it has a firing pin stop like a 1911?
Yes, it does, so quick cleaning shouldn't be a problem.
Remember to dry the channel and pin out before assembling - these parts run dry.

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2020, 11:44:11 PM »
Did those rounds fire from another gun after failing in the S2? That would be the first thing I'd check.
I think S2 started failing only... That is my understanding...

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I use these reloads in a P-01, a 1911, and a G19 in addition to the S2 and I've never had this issue in any gun.

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2020, 09:04:31 AM »
Did those rounds fire from another gun after failing in the S2? That would be the first thing I'd check.
I think S2 started failing only... That is my understanding...

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I use these reloads in a P-01, a 1911, and a G19 in addition to the S2 and I've never had this issue in any gun.
He didn't state whether or not those specific failed rounds fired when tried in another gun. This is basic troubleshooting and would actually eliminate or identify the ammo as the cause before throwing random solutions at the problem.
The fact that his reloads generally work in other guns is mostly irrelevant to troubleshooting this issue.

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2020, 12:24:28 PM »
Did those rounds fire from another gun after failing in the S2? That would be the first thing I'd check.
I think S2 started failing only... That is my understanding...

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I use these reloads in a P-01, a 1911, and a G19 in addition to the S2 and I've never had this issue in any gun.
He didn't state whether or not those specific failed rounds fired when tried in another gun. This is basic troubleshooting and would actually eliminate or identify the ammo as the cause before throwing random solutions at the problem.
The fact that his reloads generally work in other guns is mostly irrelevant to troubleshooting this issue.

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The rounds would not fire in my Glock either. I don't know why I didn't think to try that.  I've pulled the bullets and poured out the powder and there were a couple that had powder stuck in the case bottom.  I wet tumble and I'm thinking I might have loaded some damp cases.  After tumbling I spread the wet cases out on a towel under a fan for at least 24 hours, usually longer.  I shouldn't have been so quick to blame the S2 (awesome gun) but I've loaded about 12k rounds following the same procedure and never had this issue.
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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2020, 02:44:40 PM »
The rounds would not fire in my Glock either. I don't know why I didn't think to try that.  I've pulled the bullets and poured out the powder and there were a couple that had powder stuck in the case bottom.  I wet tumble and I'm thinking I might have loaded some damp cases.  After tumbling I spread the wet cases out on a towel under a fan for at least 24 hours, usually longer.  I shouldn't have been so quick to blame the S2 (awesome gun) but I've loaded about 12k rounds following the same procedure and never had this issue.

So Earl Keese was right...  8) ::)
No reason to blame S2...  ;)

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2020, 05:05:01 PM »
The rounds would not fire in my Glock either. I don't know why I didn't think to try that.  I've pulled the bullets and poured out the powder and there were a couple that had powder stuck in the case bottom.  I wet tumble and I'm thinking I might have loaded some damp cases.  After tumbling I spread the wet cases out on a towel under a fan for at least 24 hours, usually longer.  I shouldn't have been so quick to blame the S2 (awesome gun) but I've loaded about 12k rounds following the same procedure and never had this issue.

So Earl Keese was right...  8) ::)
No reason to blame S2...  ;)

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2020, 05:16:08 PM »
Did those rounds fire from another gun after failing in the S2? That would be the first thing I'd check.
I think S2 started failing only... That is my understanding...

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Posted by: Rdneck:
I use these reloads in a P-01, a 1911, and a G19 in addition to the S2 and I've never had this issue in any gun.
He didn't state whether or not those specific failed rounds fired when tried in another gun. This is basic troubleshooting and would actually eliminate or identify the ammo as the cause before throwing random solutions at the problem.
The fact that his reloads generally work in other guns is mostly irrelevant to troubleshooting this issue.

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The rounds would not fire in my Glock either. I don't know why I didn't think to try that.  I've pulled the bullets and poured out the powder and there were a couple that had powder stuck in the case bottom.  I wet tumble and I'm thinking I might have loaded some damp cases.  After tumbling I spread the wet cases out on a towel under a fan for at least 24 hours, usually longer.  I shouldn't have been so quick to blame the S2 (awesome gun) but I've loaded about 12k rounds following the same procedure and never had this issue.
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Glad you were able to identify the cause. Ever since I started wet tumbling, I've been de-priming first to avoid stuck primers.

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2020, 08:28:45 PM »
Glad you were able to identify the cause. Ever since I started wet tumbling, I've been de-priming first to avoid stuck primers.
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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2020, 12:03:22 AM »
Well First, I’m glad Earl was right[emoji23] just kidding.
     Seriously, I’m glad you reloaders can admit when something may have gone wonky. I keep saying I’m going to start reloading, but till I do I keep learning what to look for. Thanks guys[emoji6]
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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2020, 06:42:54 AM »
cntrydawwwg, I've been reloading since 1978.

.45 acp, .38, spcl., .357 magnum, 44 magnum, .380, 9MM, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, .223 Rem, .308 and .30-06.  Killed all my deer with reloads, killed a pile of groundhogs with reloads.  Shot stuff a long ways away or stuff that was pretty small with my reloads.  I have guns that have never had a factory round fired through them.  My .40 S&W P07 got 5 factory loads through it a couple range trips back and that's the first/only ones it's shot in the 8 years I've owned it.

I've never had a dud/squib, etc. with my reloads till I bought/used some Tula small rifle primers.  And those where from my nephews rifle (I have not tried to fire them in one of mine to see if they go bang).  I have had failure to chamber issues in AR15's (first when I'd bought into that garbage about there being no need to check headspace on an AR15 build and a couple times later when I'd let that check slip away when I'd gotten too comfortable building those darn things.)

I know, just jinxed myself.  Next range trip all kinds of bad things will happen.

Take every opportunity to inspect your components and process.  Quality reloads require good components, good reloading techniques and good inspection techniques.

I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Failed to fire
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2020, 09:54:37 PM »
Reloading is not hard, however you need to use quality components, take your time, and verify that things are coming together correctly.   You “can” have an issue with any ammo, factory OR reload.   I never would shoot any Reloads I did not personally assemble - I take my time.  I use a turret press, but not as a progressive.  I decap, tumble/clean, hand prime, and then I will charge cases 50 at a time, checking powder charge weight every 10 rounds (for pistol), and then seat 50 bullets.  For rifle I “usually” hand weigh every charge.   Fast? Nope, but I’ve done it this way for more than 30 years, and so far it has always worked for me.   I load ‘06, .223, 6.5 x 55, 9mm, .357 and .44 Mag.  Don’t shoot  much rifle any more, but haven’t fired “factory” rounds in my rifles in decades.   I usually buy inexpensive pistol ammo loaded rather than just buying brass.   Take your time, pay attention to details and hold the adult beverages until the loading bench is cleared.   Great hobby, saves a few $$, and allows you to tailor ammo to suit your needs.  Payback costs to get started while take a while ( depends on how much you shoot).  Years ago I was burning 200+ rounds of rifle ammo/week, now it’s 400+ pistol/ month.  Reloading is great for those rainy days when you can’t get outside😊