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Offline puddintame

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2020, 03:05:14 PM »
I had the same issue when I first started shooting. slight pressure with my support thumb fixed it. now its automatic

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2020, 06:19:48 PM »
Thanks for the feedback guys.  I just got back from the indoor range.  I adjusted the rear sight ~.031 to the right, and I'm satisfied with the results today from 10 and 15yds. Standing two hand hold with 1.5-2.0 second intervals. I don't like adjusting the sights to correct a tendency I picked up but oh well.







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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2020, 06:38:43 PM »
Way back when I first started shooting handguns mainly revolvers all my sights were drifted right. Some guns I shot much better than others and some I did poorly with. As time went on and I practiced more and learned better control and also to identify what I was doing wrong eventually all my sights found their way back to the center.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2020, 06:43:37 PM »
Way back when I first started shooting handguns mainly revolvers all my sights were drifted right. Some guns I shot much better than others and some I did poorly with. As time went on and I practiced more and learned better control and also to identify what I was doing wrong eventually all my sights found their way back to the center.

Thanks, I can see that happening.  I'll keep the sight pusher indefinitely... :)
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2020, 10:40:55 AM »
I had the same issue when I first started shooting. slight pressure with my support thumb fixed it. now its automatic

The more I think about it, I think your suggestion is very good, along with finger pad placement and squeezing GENTLY right at the break.  I'm obviously torquing the gun a tiny bit during the trigger pull.  This bad habit slowly developed over the past year or so.
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All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2020, 04:27:20 PM »
I had the same issue when I first started shooting. slight pressure with my support thumb fixed it. now its automatic

The more I think about it, I think your suggestion is very good, along with finger pad placement and squeezing GENTLY right at the break.  I'm obviously torquing the gun a tiny bit during the trigger pull.  This bad habit slowly developed over the past year or so.
If you extend your arm, stick your thumb and forefinger straight out and point like your holding a pistol, then squeeze your trigger finger , look very closely. Natural tendency is for the hand/wrist to slightly bend to the left (for righties).

The trick is to consciously squeeze your trigger finger STRAIGHT BACK so your knuckle extends out, thus keeping your whole hand straight. Another poster mentions using your support hand to correct for this also, which in theory sounds true if you have a strong support hand, but you would then be essentially adjusting with both hands, instead of moving neither hand, if that makes any sense. You should be actually gripping the pistol more with your support hand and merely pulling the trigger with the other anyways

It is best to have to the correct trigger press down though, to practice A LOT until the correct straight back press becomes thoughtless muscle memory. I went through this myself. It may feel a bit unnatural at first and actually get a slight cramp in your finger after practicing, but I’ve had great results showing this to others who shoot left


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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2020, 06:15:37 PM »
I had the same issue when I first started shooting. slight pressure with my support thumb fixed it. now its automatic

The more I think about it, I think your suggestion is very good, along with finger pad placement and squeezing GENTLY right at the break.  I'm obviously torquing the gun a tiny bit during the trigger pull.  This bad habit slowly developed over the past year or so.
If you extend your arm, stick your thumb and forefinger straight out and point like your holding a pistol, then squeeze your trigger finger , look very closely. Natural tendency is for the hand/wrist to slightly bend to the left (for righties).

The trick is to consciously squeeze your trigger finger STRAIGHT BACK so your knuckle extends out, thus keeping your whole hand straight. Another poster mentions using your support hand to correct for this also, which in theory sounds true if you have a strong support hand, but you would then be essentially adjusting with both hands, instead of moving neither hand, if that makes any sense. You should be actually gripping the pistol more with your support hand and merely pulling the trigger with the other anyways

It is best to have to the correct trigger press down though, to practice A LOT until the correct straight back press becomes thoughtless muscle memory. I went through this myself. It may feel a bit unnatural at first and actually get a slight cramp in your finger after practicing, but I’ve had great results showing this to others who shoot left


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Thanks for the suggestion; it does makes sense.
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2020, 09:36:21 PM »
It depends on what the object of the exercise is. If you are out to enjoy shooting you are doing fine. If on the other hand this is to protect you and yours, the groups are WAY to wide. If you haven't seen the Texas church shooting find it and watch.  2 people dead even before the perfectly placed take out shot. "On paper" is great for the NRA, it doesn't work in real life. Shoot into a 2" circle at a distance ALL shots go in, on a line is a miss. Increase distance as ALL shots go in.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2020, 04:38:16 PM »
My Tactical Sport is dead on

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2020, 06:26:49 AM »
I don't think your 7 CZs all shoot left and everyone else's shoot straight.  If pushing the sites works for you then no worries.  But I have a feeling its your trigger pull specific to this platform while other platforms you are fine.  There are certain guns I swear are not on point yet some sessions I shoot bulls-eyes with them.  I think shooting accurately is both practice with the particular gun and also modifying it to yourself.

Thanks, I agree.  I started this thread just to see if there are others that have noticed this tendency.

i have always had that issue  and something i need to work on... just left almost always  and a tad high

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2020, 07:31:08 PM »
The very first thing I do with a new pistol (after cleaning it) is to use a pistol rest to verify that the sights are adjusted to where they should be.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2020, 10:50:23 AM »
Ive had this happen before, and always found it was due to my own inattention. But why it would happen only with one make of handguns mystifies me. Interesting, curious to see if it continues.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2020, 04:39:46 PM »
They were originally socialist pistols.

Aim a bit right

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2020, 07:34:13 AM »
Well, consistency is the key...
Being right handed and you are not torquing your wrist at the shot which would print to the left, is it possible that you are left eye dominant (like my sister and my wife)?  This presents more challenges when aiming down a rifle barrel, but could explain why your groups print to the side relative to your right handed friends. My sister switched to shooting rifles left handed, rather than the horrible form of  leaning over the gun to line up her dominant eye.

With  both eyes open, line up your finger vertically with a distant utility pole or some such.  Close one eye.  Does the pole jump to the side or stay lined up.  Repeat, but close the other eye.  The open eye that stays lined up with your stereo vision (both eyes) is your dominant eye.

Maybe short range shooting and particular sights have you adjusting whether aiming with one eye closed vs both eyes open.

Aim small, miss small.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2020, 10:08:58 AM »
Well, consistency is the key...
Being right handed and you are not torquing your wrist at the shot which would print to the left, is it possible that you are left eye dominant (like my sister and my wife)?  This presents more challenges when aiming down a rifle barrel, but could explain why your groups print to the side relative to your right handed friends. My sister switched to shooting rifles left handed, rather than the horrible form of  leaning over the gun to line up her dominant eye.

With  both eyes open, line up your finger vertically with a distant utility pole or some such.  Close one eye.  Does the pole jump to the side or stay lined up.  Repeat, but close the other eye.  The open eye that stays lined up with your stereo vision (both eyes) is your dominant eye.

Maybe short range shooting and particular sights have you adjusting whether aiming with one eye closed vs both eyes open.

Aim small, miss small.

I'm right handed and left eye dominant, and I always shoot my handguns with the left eye closed.  I'm too old to change that.
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