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Offline Metal Wonder Nine Guy

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Some pistols like the Walther P38, Beretta 92 and Sig P226 have a single sided trigger bar and that seems to contribute to a heavier DA pull since all the force is on that one sided trigger bar. The CZ 75 has a dual sided trigger bar and perhaps this is why the standard 75B has a smoother DA pull? Perhaps the dual sided trigger bar distributes some of the weight of the pull more evenly than a single sided trigger bar.

Just a thought for this morning. My logic is probably flawed for this particular topic.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2020, 11:43:09 PM »
Just picked up a 75 and the DA trigger pull is clearly not as smooth as the 92fs that I have.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2020, 07:34:15 AM »
In general, OTB, the CZ 75 is NO match for Beretta or SIG - it just isn't.  This is has nothing to do with the design, but CZs poor QC in how to manufacture to the spec.  Typically, there is much grit and stacking in a new CZ. 

Almost every SIG or Beretta I pick up is smoother, and they just don't seem to stack. 

CAN a 75 be smoothed out to perfection and exhibit a superior DA pull?  Yes.  OTB - not so much.  I picked up two SP01s and a P01 an an LGS recently and they all had HORRIFIC triggers.  I've never felt a SIG or Beretta this bad.  Never.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2020, 05:35:50 PM »
Well the 75B I bought was used and had a 1000 rounds through it. I bought my 92FS new and that had a smooth but very heavy trigger in DA mode. Of course, not knowing how to run the DA trigger when I first got that pistol probably didn't  help either.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2020, 05:56:23 PM »
Don't listen to him he's wrong. Beretta isn't bad but Sig's QC is 0.0% better than CZ. Look at some of the recent issues Sig has had with the P320 and P365 and that massengil they have for a CEO now is a certified joke and would have fit in perfectly on Laugh In in the early 70's.
I like my Sig's but they all needed work to make them right just like my CZ's.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2020, 07:32:30 PM »
   I think that there are a number of factors that figure into a smooth Double Action in a CZ75 variant. While the duel sided trigger bar is one of them it is not the hole story in my experience. While there are factors that are more or less likely to negatively effect the smoothness of the DA, each CZ pistol has the potential to be unique from the next. Some are rather smooth right out of the box while others require a good bit of break in and tweaking to get the the same place. A few even need parts swapped out to get them where they need to be.

Will work for CZ pics! (including but not limited to all CZ clones)

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2020, 08:16:28 PM »
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Don't listen to him he's wrong

Thank you sir.

I never said SIG did not have any QC problems - I was only comparing the trigger action.  My last SIG had a lose front sight.  They fixed it pronto - should never have happened - OK - all manufacturers have issues. 

My point is that every SIG I have picked up OTB (and that is many and I own some), is tons better than all of the CZs I have tested lately - especially the SP01s and P01s I have felt lately.  Its true.  Even some of the guns that were acceptable in weight, stacked or were very gritty.  Not so with the SIGs I have seen, used.  Its not close.  I would suggest our friend try for himself. 

I MAY still end up getting another CZ - but ONLY because I know I can work on them and CGW is behind us. 

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2020, 05:13:12 AM »
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Don't listen to him he's wrong

Thank you sir.

I never said SIG did not have any QC problems - I was only comparing the trigger action.  My last SIG had a lose front sight.  They fixed it pronto - should never have happened - OK - all manufacturers have issues. 

My point is that every SIG I have picked up OTB (and that is many and I own some), is tons better than all of the CZs I have tested lately - especially the SP01s and P01s I have felt lately.  Its true.  Even some of the guns that were acceptable in weight, stacked or were very gritty.  Not so with the SIGs I have seen, used.  Its not close.  I would suggest our friend try for himself. 

I MAY still end up getting another CZ - but ONLY because I know I can work on them and CGW is behind us.
Really I'm not trying to be a jerk but you very often bash CZ for what you call poor QC yet in the same sentence you'll praise Sig like they do no wrong. I own many brands across the board and I have experienced real defects in all of them. Honestly there's a difference in real defects and variations in action feel as well.  The metal framed CZ's are solid pistols as they come and with CZ Custom and CGW they can be made into top notch handguns for much less than you'd spend on some other brands.
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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2020, 01:37:38 PM »
Yes, I bash CZ for trigger action QC- cuz they deserve it. I also think, and espouse the dual trigger bar design for what CAN be an EXCELLENT trigger - perhaps the best achievable - but I think a SIG Armorer trigger can be excellent also. 

Its just that each time I pick up a newer SIG, I find them to be more consistent - smoother and very little stacking during the pull, while I find CZs to either stack, have too much grit, or both on most guns.  Its just observation, and it amounts to parts manufacture and how little polishing or fitting is being done.  They seem to be pretty random. 

Have I had SIGS that don't have the best pulls?  Yes - but in older guns. 

I got a P229 ECC last year, and the trigger OTB is just so smooth and even the whole way it is amazing.  2 of three of my PreBs (known for decent DA pulls) had to have a ton of work, and one still has a way to go.  Again, the 2 SP01s down the road from me are horrid, and the P01 is pretty bad - I would not buy them if they knocked a $150 off the price. 

Just my observations.  I own MORE CZs than SIGS and consider my P series guns to be the most easily shootable guns out there.  The majority take a ton of work to make the triggers right.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2020, 07:45:12 PM »
Not to pour gas on the fire- but to me, the thing I like about the 92 is that the out of box trigger is consistent. Yes the DA is heavy but smooth, and the SA pull has a very firm and definite wall. I love the CZ 75 as much as the Beretta 92, but both guns have pros and cons. For me, the CZ 75  suffers from a gritty trigger out of the box until it breaks in. The new 75 I just got hasn't been fired and man, is the trigger gritty.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2020, 06:28:05 AM »
Not to pour gas on the fire- but to me, the thing I like about the 92 is that the out of box trigger is consistent. Yes the DA is heavy but smooth, and the SA pull has a very firm and definite wall. I love the CZ 75 as much as the Beretta 92, but both guns have pros and cons. For me, the CZ 75  suffers from a gritty trigger out of the box until it breaks in. The new 75 I just got hasn't been fired and man, is the trigger gritty.
My 92FS came out of the box with a trigger so gritty I think it spent a week at the beach before I got it. Had it not been for the fact they were on sale at a very good price and I intended to replace some things right away like that plastic trigger and safety/decocker lever I probably wouldn't own it. After adding a metal parts kit, skeletonized hammer, and a D spring it's a sweet shooter.
On the other hand my M9A3 was smooth as silk as new but at twice the price of the 92FS it should be.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2020, 11:04:05 AM »
ALL manufacturers are luck of the draw. Period. Bottom line when not talking about hand fit, custom guns.

I've felt great CZ's out the box. I've felt bad ones.
I've felt great Sigs out the box. I've felt bad ones.
Same with Berrettas.

They're all mass produced production guns. You're gonna get lucky and get great triggers on some and bad triggers on others. It's all roll of the dice with what parts came out of a bin of hundreds of other parts when the assembler put that particular gun together.

To say Sig or Berretta always or most of the time will have a better trigger is a joke. Might be your experience, but I can promise it isn't everyone else's and not the case across tens of thousands of pistols out there.
I have to agree with one of the other posters above. It seems like every opportunity you get you're bashing CZ in one way or another. Makes me question why you even buy CZ's or post here honestly. Not trying to be rude or a butthole. Just how I (and apparently others) see it.

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Re: Possible reason for the CZ 75's Smooth Double action trigger pull
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2020, 07:18:31 PM »
I criticize CZ where they need it - right in the trigger.  You and Para have that view of me, and I'm fine with it. 

I have NO clue of how SIGS, Berettas, and CZs compare OTB over thousands of guns, and no one on this site does either.  I just know what I've seen over the years and lately, I've felt some atrocious CZ triggers - not really useable - in fact, if used OTB, they'd be on the edge of dangerous.  I've never seen that from a SIG or Beretta.  Have I seen mediocre Legions? - yes.  Are M11A1s too heavy and a tad gritty - yes.  But the vast majority of their run of the mill DA/SA guns don't stack, and are pretty smooth OTB. Same with Beretta.  BTW - I don'e own a Beretta. 

Again, I buy CZz because I know how to work on them and they can be made VERY sweet.  I think the double TBs have much potential, and are some of the reason so many use them in competition.  I've seen plenty OTB that are decent, and I own 2 P guns that were very good OTB.  Others not - but again, after lots of work, they are excellent. I have a P07 I almost sold because it was just so plain frustrating.  It is now likely the last gun I'd part with.  Slick, excellent trigger, accurate and reliable. Its a love/hate thing. 

I will say this - MOST CZ triggers are very shootable OTB despite the poor DA triggers and their SA is what I call 'variable', but it is light enough to shoot very well.  Most people ignore DA, so they  don't care.

I just see on a consistent basis how they differ from some of the other manufacturers in terms of their trigger.  Its not a joke, and its not just opinion. 

 
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