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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2020, 05:15:43 AM »
The Lee Classic Cast Turret (sometimes called the "LCT") is probably the next step up from a basic Single-Stage. They are wildly popular and should be considered if you expect your volumes to grow in the future. (Will you retire soon? Will the kids be out of college in the next year? Will a promotion mean more range time?) They roughly fit in the volume output area between Single-Stage and Progressive, and the "auto" function can be easily defeated if/when you want to use it simply as a basic Single-Stage.

The increased volume comes from the fact that there is much less 'material handling'. You place a single case into the press. Then 4 pulls on the op lever and out pops a single finished cartridge.

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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2020, 08:34:14 AM »
My thoughts:

- If you can buy used equipment at a good price - go for it.  ALSO - you can normally sell the reloading equipment for not much of a loss (at least around here).

- The mention of hazmat charges, shipping, etc is partially true.  HOWEVER, if you buy in bulk when stuff is on sale the those charges are many times free or substantially reduced.  Another thought - I have a good relationship with a local gun store.  I've gone to him with ads and saying if you match this I'll buy it from you.  I'd say 80+% of the time he can match it - if I'm not in a hurry to get it.  (no shipping and no hazmat)  But that isn't on 1 lb powder - that is 8+lbs, 5000-10000 primers, etc.

- expect your initial cost per round to be much higher than when you know what components you are using.   That is because buying 100-250 bullets at a time or 1lb powder at a time is much more expensive than bulk.  BUT you don't wanna buy bulk initially so you can learn what loads your gun(s) like.

- If you are not able to focus on reloading w/o a lot of interruptions, this might not be for you.  Details are important!

- What Wobbly said is SOOOO TRUEE -(as usual)..  I started to reload and shoot w/my Dad - much fun.  His health has declined so he rarely shoots.  My one son loves to shoot - GREAT father/son bonding time!!!    I had soooo much fun shooting with both sons on Christmas!

- Saves money - definitely.  The $$ you would spend for the quality ammo you are able to load is HUGE.  Now if you are looking at any ammo - think cheap stuff (Tula), then you won't save as much. 

- 9mm - I load a good JHP for competition for about 12c per round.  Purchased price already loaded - 42c ea.  I can reload plinking rounds for 9 or 10c ea.  Some folks reload 9mm for less (depends on the bullet you settle on).
- 45ACP - I save at least 50% of new loads
- 223 - I save over 75c per round (for competition loads)

As you can see, you can pay off your hardware pretty quick.

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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2020, 11:37:28 AM »

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Here's my Lee turret.  I load .45 ACP, .45 long Colt, .44, .38 and 9 mm.

Mostly I just load what I cast and don't buy the bullets.

It has Inline Fabrication parts in place, a light and is mounted on a Harbor Freight bench grinder stand
weighted with some lead ingots.

I banged out several thousand .38s over the holidays and will cast thousands more.
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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2020, 09:11:29 AM »
Watching this thread, because one reloading buddy has been making me think about getting a Dillon 550, and starting.


Following your buddy into the same press is one way to save a significant amount of $ on the "entry price"... if you're willing to, and live close enough to share.

Setting up for a single caliber costs roughly $100 (dies, tool head, and caliber conversion kit). If you can work it where (say for instance) you own the 38/357 dies and he owns the 9mm dies, then you could swap every 2 weeks or so. But you BOTH got to own the exact same press to do that. None of the parts are interchangeable between the 650-to-550, or 650-to Hornady LNL, or the 550-to-Lee. The thing about the progressives is that they all use shell holders and die mounting, but they are all unique to those exact brands and models. The only common element is the dies, and it's really NOT worth upsetting their adjustment once configured into a die holding device.

This is what my son and I are currently doing on matching 650's. I never need all 8 or 9 calibers in a single week. So on Sunday he comes over, we have lunch together, ring some steel targets, and swap caliber setups. It's a great excuse to get together... and save $100.

You could also swap powder measures, permanently set up for large and small powder metering. In this case you're not saving money, just the frustration of converting over the powder measure. The point is, buying an identical machine (even if it's 1 step above what you actually require) can open the door to caliber sharing, and the savings can more than pay for the extra expense of the better press.

And somehow, you can always force yourself to appreciate the added features of a higher quality press.  ;D
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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2020, 02:53:26 AM »
But you BOTH got to own the exact same press to do that. None of the parts are interchangeable between the 650-to-550,

Good to know they aren't compatible.  He was talking about kind of a want to upgrade, and I was thinking if the parts swapped, then I could buy the 650 and we share both presses.

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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2020, 06:22:33 AM »
But you BOTH got to own the exact same press to do that. None of the parts are interchangeable between the 650-to-550,

Good to know they aren't compatible.  He was talking about kind of a want to upgrade, and I was thinking if the parts swapped, then I could buy the 650 and we share both presses.

So, are you saying he has a 550 and wants to move up to a 650 ? That's not always a bad deal either, especially if you only need a 550.

The hard part is to get all the pieces that originally came with the 550. I usually pay up to $400 for well maintained 550's which are complete. They must come with: 6 hex keys, 4 primer tubes, booklets, 1 tool head, 1 powder die, 1 powder measure, 2 powder bars, 2 primer shuttles. And add $20 for every extra tool head; $25 if the tool had comes with a powder die. $40 for every complete caliber conversion kit. (Most people will keep all their dies, roller handles, and strong mounts because they also fit the 650/750.)

These presses are very difficult to pack and ship because of the shear volume and total weight of equipment, so the price for anyone else will include $40+ (min) shipping and a big headache for the seller. By buying person-to-person he's saving himself a headache, which is a huge incentive for him to sell locally, even at a lower price.

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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2020, 07:00:54 AM »


These presses are very difficult to pack and ship because of the shear volume and total weight of equipment, so the price for anyone else will include $40+ (min) shipping and a big headache for the seller. By buying person-to-person he's saving himself a headache, which is a huge incentive for him to sell locally, even at a lower price.

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Not that it's truly pertinent to the topic, but I think your shipping estimate is very low. It cost $80 to ship a PW 375C cross country 2 years ago.
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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2020, 07:18:20 AM »
Agreed. Shipping 'big and heavy' can get complicated really fast. Often times the USPS won't accept the box, so you got to find another shipper. That means a private Pack-N-Post type outlet, who always seem to want to add their "special touch", meaning another added charge.
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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2020, 03:11:55 PM »
Here’s another vote for the old Lee classic turret.  I use mine like a single stage BUT, by using a different turret for each caliber I own I don’t have to fool around setting up the dies each time/phase of the operation.   The Dillon is EXCELLENT, but they are pricey  (and I seem to remember that there were caliber limitations on the 550 ( check before you buy).   Also note there are big differences between loading straight wall pistol cartridges in carbide dies and loading bottleneck rifle rounds.   Take your time, read all-you-can and FOLLOW the info provided in a loading manual.   

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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2020, 04:02:29 PM »
My two cents (and vote of encouragement to the OP -- because I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of reloading so far):  I started with a Rock Chucker and found myself spending a lot of time changing/readjusting dies, so sold it for a Lee Classic Turret.  That increased my speed and worked great.   Then I saw a Redding T-7 turret press on "divorce sale" and picked it up for a very good price.  It's really great.

And I know my upper limit:  before I got the Redding, I actually bought a Square Deal B which I thought I would set up in 9mm, my most common round.  But I opened up the box and was overwhelmed by the complexity.  Or, you might say, I lacked the commitment to master it, because its not that complex.   I packed it up and sent it back to the good folks at Dillon.   I don't need that volume -- I don't have the opportunity to shoot THAT much.  Nice machine, though.
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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2020, 04:30:12 PM »
Hi there,

I have a few handguns and have always thought about loading myself. I've done quite a bit of reading but would like your guys input on some questions.

1. There's a huge amount of equipment and recommendations out there for purchase, anything you would suggest for getting started? Something that will last but isn't too outrageous. 

if you have any sporting goods shops in your area, do some price shopping.  Any gun shows in your area can give you and idea too and you can do it online.

IMO, all of the brands will work.  Its no different if you are a chevy/ford/toy/honda fan boy.   You will find everyone has their own favs.

I say to go out and do the touchy-feely.  You can get an idea on what you want.

You can also look at the various "starter" kits out there.  Depending on if you get serious or want to crank out more rounds, you may find that you will outgrow your starter kit.  But the good part is that chances are you can use the equipment even if you upgrade.

A warning.  Depending on what brand you buy, you may have to stick to that brand for most things.   An example i found out the hard way, was that i bought LEE presses and shell holders.  I also bough a Hornady trimmer.  The Lee shell holders would work partially.  So, just be aware.


2. Some people look at loading as a hobby, but approximately what sort of money (%) can you expect to save per round?

How much money you can save will depend on what you reload and the cost of your components.  Since you will start out (NOW) and you will be buying things at todays cost, you may not have alot of savings, but you need to do the math yourself and to find the prices out, yourself, where you live or where you will buy your components.

Also, i have no idea on what you want to reload.  So you can do the math if you want.  You may want to use a spreadsheet since this will help.

Note that for 1 POUND of powder there is 7000 GRAINS.   If you find a reloading book you will note that the poweder charge are in GRAINS. 

But you can go online or go to your fav store and jot down prices for....

 > BULLETS.   Then calculate the per each price

 > PRIMERS.  same for above.

 > POWDER.   Again, 7000 grains / lb.  So you can figure out the cost/7000 grains.

I will assume you will reuse your on cases, but the concept of calculating is the same.

But once you know WHAT you want to reload, you can then calculate the cost and any savings. 

3. Is there a number of times you can generally reuse brass casings? 

Depending on the brass/ammo and what you reload.  Some people will reload brass until it fails.  You may want to consider what will happen in a gun if  the case ruptures.

what i do is to "batch" reload.  I will load up a bunch of rounds, shoot them all, the start over.  Others will do it differently but there is no 1 way to do it.  So when im reloading or prepping the cases, im visually inspecting each case in that batch.  If i get about 10% failures in that batch, then i toss (recycle) the batch.



4. Any general recommendations for getting started? Things that are necessary or not important in your opinion?


If you have any shooting friends, ask if they reload.  And if  they do, then ask to watch/oberseve them and to pick their brains.

another warning...Reloading isnt a hobby where you can do it with half attention.  You need to pay attention to what you are doing, or you will make some reloads that maybe questionable and could do you some harm or the others on each side of you.

If you havent bought or read a reloading book do so.  Most of them will have sections on "how to reload" and then you can use the "data" part to do your reloads.  Also, eventually you will buy every reloading book out there for the info in them.  I havent found any 1 book that covers it all.  If you have any used bookstores were you live, you can look there for used/older reloading books. 

some personal comments...

 > ive been reloading since the 1980s.  And many of the components i purchased was for those prices back then.   Hopefully  you will do some component price shopping (NOW) and see how much it will cost you in todays prices.

 > something to consider.  Ammo usually doesn't have a 'shelf life" and the "components" are the same.  So if you buy and stockup (NOW) the future prices for components maybe alot more in the future where the savings will be more.

 > so about my 1980s purchases.... here are some of my costs of components.....Mind you everyone will have a different price for where they live and when they bought and how long they kept it.  Many people get $$$ in their eyes and their brain turns off.  Remember, i bought the components years ago, so my savings will be way more than what you can do.

Powder - 8 lbs of Unique @ 92.00  USD
Bullets - 9mm ,115 fmg, 500 each @ 28.00 USD
Primers - 5000 @ 55.00 USD  (for the most part i dont consider the primer in my per round cost)  but they do cost $$ to buy.

If i use 5 grains for a 9mm reload, my cost - not including the cost of brass - will be 0.08/round

 > last comments  TIME.  Many people now adays dont have the patience or time to do anything like this.  But i always say, if you want it bad enough, you will make it happen.   

 > Reloading isnt just banging about finished rounds, but there is also the prep.  Such as sorting, and maybe cleaning/washing any brass that fell in who knows whats on the ground.  Then you may want to visually inspect each case.

 > I think CCI (Blazer Brass) now has 45acp brass where they use SMALL Primers.  This can screw up your works if you mix in SMALL and LARGE primers.  So haveing them out there just adds 1 more step to make sure you dont put some unwanted brass through your process.

 > you may run across burden primed cases. Those will need to be segregated.  Or you  can break depriming pins

 > also , for the most parts, you wont be "saving" any money.  All you will do is to redirect any savings to guns, or ammo components. 
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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2020, 07:52:03 PM »
If you want to see the cost per round a reloading calculator such as this makes it easy and fast. Found this one just doing a quick search for "reloading calculator".  https://ultimatereloader.com/tools/reloading-costs-calculator/

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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2020, 01:12:28 PM »
If you want to see the cost per round a reloading calculator such as this makes it easy and fast. Found this one just doing a quick search for "reloading calculator".  https://ultimatereloader.com/tools/reloading-costs-calculator/

That's great, thanks!
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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2020, 08:00:22 PM »
I don't want to load into shot shells at first.


Mr Redapse -
Hardly anyone can do better by loading their own shot shells these days. If you are shooting standard loads, then European import loads are cheaper and don't require you to pick up hulls.

If you shoot 500 shells a week, then you might break even. If you prefer 7/8oz loads in 12ga, then OK. But if you can buy your shell requirements across the counter, then loading shotgun shells really doesn't save money. The expense is in getting the lead shot. Shipping lead shot is outrageous. So you need to be a member of a GC that harvests it's lead on a regular basis. And buy it there at the Club with zero transport.

This is why you tend to see more shotgun reloading equipment on the market. It's been this way for the last 7 or 8 years.

• On another note... have we answered all your questions ?

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Re: Newbie thinking about getting into loading
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2020, 10:25:01 AM »
Thank you to everyone for taking the time to answer my questions. I have a lot of good perspective here now and I'm really looking forward to jumping in head first. I'm continuing to research and will keep everyone up to date on my adventures with loading!!