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Offline rckendall

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Finding Bullet Jump First? Anybody Do It?
« on: January 14, 2020, 05:05:21 PM »
I hesitate to bring this up because to most will probably think that I am coming from left field, and I understand that. But I seem to remember reading somewhere recently where someone explained the whole process and I felt relieved that my experience wasn't for not.

I recently shot F Class, Mid and Long Range competition (600 yards and 1000 yards) and attained an expert classification in long range and master classification in mid range. That is only about mid level of the competition but does demand accurate hand loads. I learned a great deal doing it and want to bring certain techniques out in the open for discussion.

Berger Bullets were the most popular bullet for the class and their technicians were readily available by telephone for coaching. To find the most accurate load for a new rifle/bullet often began with finding the "jump" of the bullet before hitting the lands. I would load 5 with .010 jump, 5 with .015, 5 with .020, etc and test them at 100 yards. It was surprisingly clear which jump the rifle liked the best, and we found that the patterns would repeat themselves every .040 or so.

Once we found the jump it liked we would move on to the powder charge to give the velocity that we were looking for, and testing was also done across a chronograph to find the sweet spot, where velocities and POI elevation between a few different powder charges stayed the same or at least close. Having done this on several rifles/barrels recently I can't help thinking the same process would work with pistols (pistol caliber carbines) even though there are other factors to be considered, like magazine length and feeding.

I may be forgetting something pertinent right now but I want to put this out here for feedback. Thanks in advance.
Richard
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Re: Finding Bullet Jump First? Anybody Do It For Rifles?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2020, 05:56:58 PM »
This is not done at all in handguns. Not in revolvers because you can't. Not in auto guns because it's not needed due to target size and proximity.

I have clarified your title since this only applies to rifles.

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Re: Finding Bullet Jump First? Anybody Do It For Rifles?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2020, 06:14:41 PM »
I brought this up because I do believe it can be used in pistols also. Like I said, I remember reading a detailed explanation into how it was done and was happy that it was an option for pistols too. I haven't been able to find it now that I want it.

When I did my first reloads for my SP-01 I did a similar test and saw the difference. I think it is worth considering!

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Re: Finding Bullet Jump First? Anybody Do It?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2020, 06:35:22 PM »
In auto pistols there are numerous desirable character traits (I won't call them 'requirements') to consider when designing a reloaded cartridge, some are in conflict with each other.

Yes, on a great many blunt or conical nose bullets the Max OAL becames the OAL of choice, but not always...

• Let's say you're using the Berry Mfg 115, 124, or 147gr RN. Those push test out to an OAL of about 1.180". Those won't even fit in the mag. How do you cover that situation ?

• If you are loading the shorter 115gr (or less) bullets there is a co-requirement to seat about 0.200-0.250" into the case simply for bullet support. You'd need to decide which is more important, sitting close to the rifling or not getting knocked off-axis after smacking into the feed ramp.


So with select bullets, this scheme may work out. But only with some very select bullets, like say RMR 124gr JHP. Very few blanket statements hold up when loading for the CZ chamber.
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