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Offline Earl Keese

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2020, 06:34:23 AM »
The Virginia Attorney General just announced the withdrawal of Virginia from its reciprocity agreements with most states regarding Concealed Carry Permits. 


 
Pretty sure this comes from an article published in 2015.

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2020, 10:53:00 AM »
There are many stories on this available but for some reason I can't get a link to work.

Here you go https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB567/2020

It's pretty short.

I wonder how those indoor trap ranges are working out for you in VA  ::)

If you're a VA resident there are links on that page to contact your legislators. Consider doing so, and remember... elections have consequences. So does inaction. Whether you're politically minded or not, you will bear those consequences.

Offline John A.

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2020, 11:06:32 AM »
^ A lot of people don't know this, but the NRA has a rather impressive shooting range in Virginia that would also be outlawed.

I surmise that one of the reasons they want to outlaw private gun ranges, is so they can keep track of gov owned ranges of who is using them.  The specifics of what gun, etc.

Also, to monopolize the income revenue for the state for member dues.  And also if they are in full control of who and when you can shoot, could further infringe on law abiding citizens rights if they close, or prevent one from using the public property
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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2020, 11:08:41 AM »
There are many stories on this available but for some reason I can't get a link to work.

Here you go https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB567/2020

It's pretty short.

I wonder how those indoor trap ranges are working out for you in VA  ::)

If you're a VA resident there are links on that page to contact your legislators. Consider doing so, and remember... elections have consequences. So does inaction. Whether you're politically minded or not, you will bear those consequences.

I so much agree with you, people are ready to gripe and moan after the fact but are not motivated enough to go to the polls to make their voices heard before legislators are elected and make their questionable "laws".

Once any right is lost it is very difficult to get back, if not impossible. Anyone with any foresight should be able to see that Virginia is a test case...if the people will swallow it there you can be sure the same kind of "laws" will be foisted on citizens of other states. NOW is the time to resist !

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2020, 12:36:46 PM »
This isn't just about guns.

They are proposing laws that could make it illegal for me to show my kids who to shoot, how to clean/work on their guns.

Laws that would increase the governor's term from 4 years to 8 years (currently 4 years with no re-election/consecutive term allowed).

Laws that would double the amount of signatures required to initiate a recall process for the politicians.

Laws that would eliminate single family housing zoning in the state (to allow low income housing developments right next door to the exclusive/high dollar neighborhoods - talk about destroying their tax base, when property values drop who will they blame the drop in tax revenue on?)

Laws that affect hunting with dogs.

Raising the grand larceny amount of $500 to $2000.

Allowing prisoners in the jails to vote.

Automatically registering to vote anyone that gets a VA driver's license.

Allowing anyone/everyone to use absentee ballots.

Forcing the state electoral votes to be cast for the candidate that wins the popular vote (and now you know why they want any/every possible dim/lib/prog/socialist to be able to vote, whether they are currently breathing or not.)

The list goes on, I've got some stuff to do (painting a bed room).

It's an outright attempt to take over VA for good and destroy a way of life here.  They want everyone in the state to live their lives in the manner they see fit.  After all, they are better and smarter than all us regular people, right?
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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2020, 12:39:27 PM »
This isn't just about guns.

It's never been about guns though, has it. You summed it up in your closing paragraph.

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They want everyone in the state to live their lives in the manner they see fit.  After all, they are better and smarter than all us regular people, right?

Right.

It's your government. Your state. Vote. Be heard.

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2020, 06:47:12 PM »
Looks like they set up Richmond as a no fly zone


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When people ignorant of guns make gun laws, you end up with ignorant gun laws.

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2020, 06:18:57 AM »
And the battle rages on. www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-city-official-brings-ar-15-style-rifle-to-council-meeting-triggering-some-colleagues
The twitter responses after the article are what you'd expect from the left but the one from gun guy Colion Noir is good food for thought and he is correct in saying the only anti gun people who will be at the rally in Virginia are the government and they will have guns.
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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2020, 09:31:23 AM »
The best, most reasoned, article I have read so far on the Virginia situation.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virginia-gun-rights-conflict-best-and-worst-case-scenarios

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2020, 03:42:04 PM »
The Virginia Attorney General just announced the withdrawal of Virginia from its reciprocity agreements with most states regarding Concealed Carry Permits. 


Pretty sure this comes from an article published in 2015.

Earl, you are right. 

Back in 2015, AG Herring withdrew from the agreements with 25 other states, but apparently the Republican legislature re-instated them by 2016. 

But what is new is the a Progressive from Northern Virginia, Dan Hellmer, has introduced legislation to give Herring back the authority to withdraw from the reciprocity agreements currently in place.   

See https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/virginia-gun-proposal-puts-concealed-carry-agreements-with-other-states-in-jeopardy

Best bet for Virginians who want to have concealed carry privileges in other states is to obtain a Utah non-resident concealed carry permit (from one of the license Utah instructors here in Virginia).  Utah permits enjoy reciprocity witha large number of other states.   https://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/reciprocity-with-other-states/
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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2020, 04:22:55 PM »
The Virginia Attorney General just announced the withdrawal of Virginia from its reciprocity agreements with most states regarding Concealed Carry Permits. 


Pretty sure this comes from an article published in 2015.

Earl, you are right. 

Back in 2015, AG Herring withdrew from the agreements with 25 other states, but apparently the Republican legislature re-instated them by 2016. 

But what is new is the a Progressive from Northern Virginia, Dan Hellmer, has introduced legislation to give Herring back the authority to withdraw from the reciprocity agreements currently in place.   

See https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/virginia-gun-proposal-puts-concealed-carry-agreements-with-other-states-in-jeopardy

Best bet for Virginians who want to have concealed carry privileges in other states is to obtain a Utah non-resident concealed carry permit (from one of the license Utah instructors here in Virginia).  Utah permits enjoy reciprocity witha large number of other states.   https://bci.utah.gov/concealed-firearm/reciprocity-with-other-states/

I think the best bet for Virginians is going to be to have some recall elections and defeat this nonsense otherwise they won't have carry privileges in their own state regardless of the permit they hold. Personally I think in the warped liberal minds of those perpetrating this legislation they think if they revoke reciprocity that will stop any insurgence of out of stater's who might be inclined to help out our embattled brethren in Virginia. If it comes to that for myself I can say they are wrong. I hope it doesn't come to that but if we want to keep this country we may be witnessing events that will force us to make some decisions. They really do need to stop poking the bear.

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2020, 04:53:45 PM »
What every person in every other state needs to recognize is that Virginia is doing this to show they can.  And every state that falls under democrat rule will do exactly the same.  This is a nationwide problem. 

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2020, 06:29:58 PM »
SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM, remember, these types of folks are the kind that think if they talk nice and don't make sudden moves, the bear won't hurt them.  The kind that go camping in the woods with no gun and believe if they don't bother the bears the bears won't bother them.
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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2020, 05:14:34 AM »
SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM, remember, these types of folks are the kind that think if they talk nice and don't make sudden moves, the bear won't hurt them.  The kind that go camping in the woods with no gun and believe if they don't bother the bears the bears won't bother them.
Yep I agree. Thing is with these people as being evidenced by northam's actions is they always have reasons why we don't need our guns but they will certainly have theirs to keep us under control.

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Re: Poor Virginia,What a mess!
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2020, 08:26:06 AM »
Most of them won't openly say that they look down on the rest of us.

Every now and then one of them let's their true feelings slip out, like that democratic senator (don't remember if it was an old guy from NY or MI, now) who said it.  Some asked him about his continued support for anti gun legislation and he said people didn't need guns to protect themselves.  When the questioner pointed out the armed security personnel surrounding the senator he replied that of course he needed armed security, he was different than the person asking the question.
I stopped carrying the SIG 556R.  SIG changed models and couple/three times and stopped supporting it with parts.  So, I stopped supporting SIG.  Back to the tried/true AR15 Carbine.

 

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