38 Short Colt reloading info

[Ron Ia]

looking for loading info. on the 38 short colt will be using 147 RN blue bullets any help would be appreciated
gun used will be a Smith and Wesson 627 PC 5" bbl

Thanks Ron 

[painter]

There seems to be some data on Brian Enos forum.

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/214932-38-short-colt-pet-loads/

Use at your own risk.

[Wobbly]

Not a lot of reloading info out there on this older low pressure cartridge.

A search of The High Road only turned up die selection suggestions. And that's the know-all, end-all site for me.


I bet the our Guru in Residence, Reloader Fred, can contribute.

Please stay tuned.

[Ron Ia]

Thanks kinda where im at not much info. I made a post on Brian E's site I do know Lee makes dies I can get Starline brass but that's about it so far
Ron

[Wobbly]

IMHO, load development is going to demand a chrono. A chrono will be one of the only ways to accurately monitor chamber pressure, which is extremely important for your safety.

I say this because a lot of the handguns using this cartridge were made before 1) steels were pressure tested and 2) using modern metal alloys, which helped usher in the age of 38Special and 357Mag chamber pressures.

• • One should also NOT assume that modern black powder replacements, commonly used in Cowboy Action Shooting, run at the necessary lower chambers of Black Powder. These are powders such as  Trail Boss, Tin Star and similar. These are modern smokeless powders and as such run at the same high pressures as the powders you already have on hand.


Depending upon the age of your handgun, you may want to consult the specialty antique handgun forums for more concise information.

Hope this helps.

[Ron Ia]

Wobbly I here you but I will be using this in a modern handgun that I will be using in USPSA matches the short brass goes in and out with moon clips rather quickly for fast reloads and yes the loads there using in these modern handguns SHOULD NOT BE USED IN OLDER GUNS
it is great to here someone like you that has true knowledge on reloading not just another keyboard expert I Thank you for helping out
Ron   

[Wobbly]

Wobbly I here you but I will be using this in a modern handgun that I will be using in USPSA matches the short brass goes in and out with moon clips rather quickly for fast reloads and yes the loads there using in these modern handguns SHOULD NOT BE USED IN OLDER GUNS

It is great to here someone like you that has true knowledge on reloading not just another keyboard expert I Thank you for helping out.

Ron -
Full Disclosure Mode: Gotta tell you this buddy... the only reason I know all that is that I got slapped down on another board where they deal with older cartridges on a regular basis !!

So you have a modern revolver you use for Action Shooting, and the 38 Short simply loads faster ? Did I get that correct ? I'd like to know more about that and see photos of your gun.

I'm always impressed by someone shooting revolver that fast.

 

[Ron Ia]

its a Smith and Wesson model 627 performance center revolver with a 5" bbl its a 8 shot with the cylinder cut from the factory for moon clips 357 / 38 sp. but you can shoot 38 colt long or like I'm going to use the 38 short colt soon as I can figure out how to post a picture I will in the mean time you can look up Jerry Miculek on you tube or USPSA revolver shooting there very fast and accurate now its off to school on picture posting
Ron 

[Wobbly]

Joint a free photo hosting site like Imgur.

After the upload, that site will issue you links to the photo you can use here.

[Ron Ia]

still trying to figure out picture posting when it comes to computers my lack of skills truly shines going to need one of my grandkids to help me out 
Ron

[Dan_69GTX]

Use something that looks like this "(img width=640) https://i.imgur.com/lwCYZDO.jpg(/img)"  But use [] instead of ().

See https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=93202.0

[Wobbly]

Actually, when you are in IMGUR and looking at the close-up of your photo, it will list out several codes to the right of the photo. If you'll click on the blue "Copy" button next to "BBCODE", it will Copy the photo's web address into your computer's memory.

Then, while writing your CZ Forum post, you can position the cursor where you want the photo to appear in the text and Paste (Cntrl-V) the address into the text.

If you then hit the "Preview" button at the lower RH corner, you'll be able to see the photo positioned in your text.

[Ron Ia]

I am getting closer the picture you posted for me I ran out of time to try and figure out how to resize it smaller Thank you for posting it for me as you can tell I am not very computer smart when it comes to this kind of stuff
Ron 

[Wobbly]

I've looked through reloading books as far back as 1970, and find nothing. Then quite by accident I saw last night that the Hodgdon online reloading center has info about that cartridge in 93 and 135gr. That's the first, and only, info I've found.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

With hard data like that, then you can make proportions and work out to 147gr. Possibly even making parallel proportions to other small-cased 38's like 380Auto. You can only do this because you have a modern handgun, that won't have any trouble with chamber pressure. If you get to a point where the brass is hanging up in the cylinder, then stop. That's a big over-pressure sign for revolvers.

Hope this helps.

[Ron Ia]

Wobbly I am starting to get load info. on Brian E's site most are using 9mm load info. with a 5% reduction to start  because the case size is so close to the same. OAL is important on this short case. the load info. I have been getting is what there shooting in there handguns all are with in the 135 to 140 power factor to stay within the power factor rules in this class I want to Thank everyone who helped me out on this Quest for load info. PS I do own a CZ Shadow 2 that's what drew me here great group of people
Ron