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Offline Ihave7

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Many 99041s showing up these days
« on: January 18, 2020, 03:05:03 PM »
Has anyone noticed all the steel frame 99041s showing up? I think I have seen about 7 on gunbroker in the last week. I wonder if they sent another batch from the mother country or something. Build date stamping is 2019. Most are new in the box with a price tag of a very reasonable $750. Any info?

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 04:29:48 PM »

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2020, 04:30:43 PM »
I see three. Two were manufactured in '17. The one tech net armory has was manufactured in '19. One guy selling one of them has "1 of 50 imported". Don't think a batch has came in. But there is definitely more than 50 in the United States.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 06:29:32 PM »
I really wanted a 041 a while back. Everything I found was in the $950 to $1200 price. I even took a NIB P01-SDP out of my safe and ran it down to the pawn shop to see if it would bring enough to buy a NIB 99041 that a forum member had for sale. I was offered $900 by "ripme" Pawn, so I couldn't do the deal. All the time I was thinking, what if they start making them by the boat load? Sure enough, I am seeing 2019 production stuff. Even if some of the guns you see are older 2017 production, a 99041 is still a 99041 and can NO LONGER be 1 of 50. I am learning that collecting CZs will do nothing but fustrate you and hurt feelings. I took a beautiful NIB model 83 in nickel to a dealer to sell. I was offered $300 and his statement was " this gun was discontinued clear back in 2012, must not have been any good". I mentioned that the original Colt Python was discontinued, probably because it was junk. LOL. I was asked to leave.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 07:29:26 PM »
Yeah I had one and regret selling it, which I sold way below what they are asking just two years later. What I was getting at about the guy advertising that one as one of only 50, is falsely claiming something that he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, to try and make more money from the sale. Picture of the one I had.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2020, 10:24:58 AM »
If anybody has watched any of the CZ “factory tour “ videos, you’ll see how the frames are cast, using what is basically the “lost wax method “  which has been around for literally 1000’s of years..Point is, CZ can whip up another batch of these anytime they want, as it costs very little to make the wax molds for the frames. Knowing that, I would have very little faith in any “limited production “ anything CZ makes, because it’s only limited until they decide to run another batch off, and that could be next week, next month, next year.. Best advice I could offer, is to buy them, enjoy them for what they are, but don’t fool yourself into thinking that there’s only a few out there, that could change anytime..

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2020, 10:33:02 AM »
I think badwrench is right.
I was looking for P-01 Omega for few months last year. Few were available for $700 - $800. Thx God I was patient... Suddenly every firearm dealer had them for $550  :o

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2020, 10:44:01 PM »
Just noticed that "technetarmory" sold another 041 yesterday. They must have received a bunch because that is about the 8th one I've seen sold by them in the past couple weeks. They have another one (again) on gunbroker right now. Buy it now price has gone up from $749 to $769. Wonder just how many they started out with? They all have 2019 production stamps.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2020, 06:19:26 AM »
If anybody has watched any of the CZ “factory tour “ videos, you’ll see how the frames are cast, using what is basically the “lost wax method “  which has been around for literally 1000’s of years..Point is, CZ can whip up another batch of these anytime they want, as it costs very little to make the wax molds for the frames. Knowing that, I would have very little faith in any “limited production “ anything CZ makes, because it’s only limited until they decide to run another batch off, and that could be next week, next month, next year.. Best advice I could offer, is to buy them, enjoy them for what they are, but don’t fool yourself into thinking that there’s only a few out there, that could change anytime..

I passed on a stainless P-01 yesterday.  I feel the same way.  The high premium for a rare gun can disappear tomorrow when a new batch arrives and there goes your investment.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2020, 11:48:49 AM »
If anybody has watched any of the CZ “factory tour “ videos, you’ll see how the frames are cast, using what is basically the “lost wax method “  which has been around for literally 1000’s of years..Point is, CZ can whip up another batch of these anytime they want, as it costs very little to make the wax molds for the frames. Knowing that, I would have very little faith in any “limited production “ anything CZ makes, because it’s only limited until they decide to run another batch off, and that could be next week, next month, next year.. Best advice I could offer, is to buy them, enjoy them for what they are, but don’t fool yourself into thinking that there’s only a few out there, that could change anytime..

I passed on a stainless P-01 yesterday.  I feel the same way.  The high premium for a rare gun can disappear tomorrow when a new batch arrives and there goes your investment.

True. The stainless guns are, IMO, a bit different, in as much as CZ doesn’t seem to make very many. I can’t prove it, but I suspect that the reason why goes back to the casting process, with a stainless frame, visually, it has to be perfect. No visible flaws, that means no pits, porosity, etc, I suspect that they have a high scrap rate because of this,  carbon steel frames with minor pits are probably often still used, because the pits will be covered up with polycoat. My 99021 was like this, the polycoat was stripped off the frame, slide, and some small parts, they, and the barrel were Black Nitrided, it turned out great, but on the right side of the frame, by the rail , you can see 3 very small pits, unless you’re looking for them, you’d never notice them. I suspect there’s a lot of steel framed CZ 75’s with similar issues, which if I had to guess, is probably why CZ still uses polycoat, when much better finishes  are now available. If you do run across a stainless P-01, for a reasonable price, maybe consider it, I suspect these are somewhat difficult for CZ to make, and may truly be a limited production gun..
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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2020, 12:33:21 PM »
Those P-01's that were advertised as stainless turned out to be nickel plated.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2020, 12:46:44 PM »
Those P-01's that were advertised as stainless turned out to be nickel plated.

I didn’t know that..if that’s the case, then they’re not worth any more that a polycoat P-01, and, if CZ was peddling these as stainless, that, IMO, is borderline fraud... So what about the stainless full-size 75’s?  Stainless frame/slide? Or did they pull a fast one there too? I find it shameful that a company like CZ would stoop to deceptive tactics like that. I think if I would’ve bought a “stainless” P-01, only to find out later that the frame was nickel plated, I’d want my money back, and I would very probably not buy another CZ again..
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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2020, 03:32:17 PM »
Thats what made me pass on the stainless P01.  I didnt want to drop a grand on a coated P01  when I could have 3 for same price.  The stailess one still looks nice though.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2020, 04:32:18 PM »
The CZ 75's in matte or polished are stainless. There are several threads here on the P-01's that weren't stainless and turned out to be nickel plated.

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Re: Many 99041s showing up these days
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2020, 12:27:03 PM »
The CZ 75's in matte or polished are stainless. There are several threads here on the P-01's that weren't stainless and turned out to be nickel plated.

I thought that the full size guns had stainless frames and, that’s what I don’t understand... CZ can make full-size frames in stainless, and for the compacts they have them plated? What kind of moron thought that would fly? Total fail on CZ’s part.. There’s no reason they couldn’t have made the compact frames in stainless.. Hopefully, they learned from this asshattery...
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