Rami still no good after warranty work

[MeatAxe]

I am in NW Indiana-The gun was clean when I got it and cleaned by me multiple times before the problem started and was cleaned by Cz repair.How to post photos here? My motorcycle forum has this exact same format but has an add photos option.They also want donations

Did anybody soak it in a bucket of Hoppes #9 over night? That's pretty much what it takes.

[Conlin2]

I recently acquired a RAMI D and ran the hell out of it with all kinds of different ammo mixed in to see if it would fail and it ran like a top. I would call CZ and explain your issue and they will take care of it.

[kstatinet]

The newbie here who just came back from the range with my wife. We were shooting rami bd 2075 for the first time. 50 rounds each. I bought it new a month ago (2019 edition). I didn't clean it, as I was not aware until now that I need to clean a brand new pistol. Anyhow, most likely the problems we've have experienced are not the same as OP; however, there was some discomfort firing this Rami for sure. I should mention that the last time I had some range experience was 25 years ago in the army (ar16 & uzi) and my wife never fired guns before (besides disassembly/assembling ak47 in high school).

What I like is how it fires. Feels smooth.

What I didn't like and I understand that I lack experience are the following:

a) During reload of the magazine, it really takes some power to slide back and at the same time pull the lever on the left side up. We really struggled w/this. I can't find a good youtube video that shows this moment step by step. I think we might need to take a private lesson on how to use this gun.
b) Twice it was not ejecting (i.e. pulling trigger & nothing happens, take the mag out, try to slide back and it doesn't slide). Asked shooting range watch guy and he struggled with it too but managed to slide it back eventually. At that point, I really thought maybe I need to call for warranty :-)
c) loading 14 mag was no problem, but loading 10 mag... i could only get 8 bullets fast. the last two was/is a real struggle. can't imagine putting so much effort to load 10 mag when/if time comes.

Also, if someone can point me to good youtube video instruction on how to clean this specific gun that would be great.

[Esquilax]

a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.

b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.

Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.

[MeatAxe]

The newbie here who just came back from the range with my wife. We were shooting rami bd 2075 for the first time. 50 rounds each. I bought it new a month ago (2019 edition). I didn't clean it, as I was not aware until now that I need to clean a brand new pistol. Anyhow, most likely the problems we've have experienced are not the same as OP; however, there was some discomfort firing this Rami for sure. I should mention that the last time I had some range experience was 25 years ago in the army (ar16 & uzi) and my wife never fired guns before (besides disassembly/assembling ak47 in high school).

What I like is how it fires. Feels smooth.

What I didn't like and I understand that I lack experience are the following:

a) During reload of the magazine, it really takes some power to slide back and at the same time pull the lever on the left side up. We really struggled w/this. I can't find a good youtube video that shows this moment step by step. I think we might need to take a private lesson on how to use this gun.
b) Twice it was not ejecting (i.e. pulling trigger & nothing happens, take the mag out, try to slide back and it doesn't slide). Asked shooting range watch guy and he struggled with it too but managed to slide it back eventually. At that point, I really thought maybe I need to call for warranty :-)
c) loading 14 mag was no problem, but loading 10 mag... i could only get 8 bullets fast. the last two was/is a real struggle. can't imagine putting so much effort to load 10 mag when/if time comes.

Also, if someone can point me to good youtube video instruction on how to clean this specific gun that would be great.

I have a few questions myself:

1 AR-16 / Uzi? What army were you in? Joe Biden's or Bernie Sanders' or Israel's?

2. Is your wife a Russian?

Clean your Rami thoroughly. CZs generally come from the factory packed with cosmoline, which is a preservative / rust preventive, not a lubricant. First, disassemble, remove the grips and soak the metal parts in a bucket of Hoppes #9 (keeping the sights above the surface of the solvent) for a few hours to dissolve all the packing grease. Then blow dry, reassemble / lubricate with a good gun GREASE (e.g. Slip 2000).

If you're having trouble loading the mags, get a mag loader. I don't use one, but maybe this would work https://plate.us/pages/cz-magazine-loader

If you're having trouble manipulating the pistol to chamber, etc., you might want to get some hand exercisers, etc. but it will probably be a lot easier after the pistol is thoroughly cleaned.

[Esquilax]

Missed that AK reloading part, that's some ComBloc upbringing stuff. Or the coolest US high school.

I use an UpLula reloader for CZ, Sig, whatever manufacturer. Works great with all of them.

[kstatinet]

a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.

b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.

Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.

a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot

b) the ammo i used was bought at Academy.  Monarch 9mm luger 115GR FMJ 50 cartridges.
"pulling the trigger and no "bang" that exactly what happened twice. the first time we had tried to take the mag out and slide back... but it was not sliding back as it seemed it was stuck and then we needed help from range watcher who also struggled for more than 15 sec.. he was just 'playing' the slide back & forth.

[kstatinet]

The newbie here who just came back from the range with my wife. We were shooting rami bd 2075 for the first time. 50 rounds each. I bought it new a month ago (2019 edition). I didn't clean it, as I was not aware until now that I need to clean a brand new pistol. Anyhow, most likely the problems we've have experienced are not the same as OP; however, there was some discomfort firing this Rami for sure. I should mention that the last time I had some range experience was 25 years ago in the army (ar16 & uzi) and my wife never fired guns before (besides disassembly/assembling ak47 in high school).

What I like is how it fires. Feels smooth.

What I didn't like and I understand that I lack experience are the following:

a) During reload of the magazine, it really takes some power to slide back and at the same time pull the lever on the left side up. We really struggled w/this. I can't find a good youtube video that shows this moment step by step. I think we might need to take a private lesson on how to use this gun.
b) Twice it was not ejecting (i.e. pulling trigger & nothing happens, take the mag out, try to slide back and it doesn't slide). Asked shooting range watch guy and he struggled with it too but managed to slide it back eventually. At that point, I really thought maybe I need to call for warranty :-)
c) loading 14 mag was no problem, but loading 10 mag... i could only get 8 bullets fast. the last two was/is a real struggle. can't imagine putting so much effort to load 10 mag when/if time comes.

Also, if someone can point me to good youtube video instruction on how to clean this specific gun that would be great.

I have a few questions myself:

1 AR-16 / Uzi? What army were you in? Joe Biden's or Bernie Sanders' or Israel's?

2. Is your wife a Russian?

Clean your Rami thoroughly. CZs generally come from the factory packed with cosmoline, which is a preservative / rust preventive, not a lubricant. First, disassemble, remove the grips and soak the metal parts in a bucket of Hoppes #9 (keeping the sights above the surface of the solvent) for a few hours to dissolve all the packing grease. Then blow dry, reassemble / lubricate with a good gun GREASE (e.g. Slip 2000).

If you're having trouble loading the mags, get a mag loader. I don't use one, but maybe this would work https://plate.us/pages/cz-magazine-loader

If you're having trouble manipulating the pistol to chamber, etc., you might want to get some hand exercisers, etc. but it will probably be a lot easier after the pistol is thoroughly cleaned.

1. Your third guess was correct. It was IDF. Obviously, not a combat unit, otherwise I would not ask the questions above.
To be perfectly honest, I would not buy the gun, if Bernie or AOC (future) were not a popular candidates in this country. I bought Rami when I watched debates and thought that Bernie could become the next President.
2. Yeah, we graduated from the same class in Moscow. And we had this 'great' weekly class (grades 9 & 10, if i remember correctly), where we had to listen to retired Soviet army instructor about dangers of capitalism, how communism is the best system and obviously be prep'd to defend (i.e know the mother-Russia's Kalashnkov, put army chem mask quick, etc...).

Thank you for cleaning instructions for the Rami !

[MeatAxe]

a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.

b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.

Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.

a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than that when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot

b) the ammo i used was bought at Academy.  Monarch 9mm luger 115GR FMJ 50 cartridges.
"pulling the trigger and no "bang" that exactly what happened twice. the first time we had tried to take the mag out and slide back... but it was not sliding back as it seemed it was stuck and then we needed help from range watcher who also struggled for more than 15 sec.. he was just 'playing' the slide back & forth.

Monarch (Russian steel case) 9mm Ammo is pretty lousy: dirty, inaccurate, hard primers, etc.

Fiocchi fmj is probably the best cheap practice ammo you can get. Quality stuff for just a buck or two more than Russian 9mm.

Also, with the Rami, you’re going to need to pick up a few extra outer recoil springs from CZ, which tend to wear out after 500 rounds or so, always keeping a fresh spring in for self-defense.

[kstatinet]

Thank you for ammo suggestion.

Please disreg my observation above about the slide struggle.
I played w/the gun for 15 min today and found that if I take the slide by the middle and not serrated part, I can relatively easy bring the slide stop up.
Regarding my comment above 10 mag loading issue.. I just disassembled the mag, sprayed w/silicone and then I was able to load all 10 bullets in.
It does rattle, but I found if you press the top part and knock the bottom the rattle almost gone after that.

[kstatinet]

a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.

b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.

Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.

a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than that when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot

Things loosen up with cleaning, lubrication, and use.  But I can’t imagine that being a recommended sequence of events for any compact self defense pistol.  I only manually engage the slide stop (which is intentionally reduced in size on the RAMI) to show clear in between range drills.  As mentioned, in normal use, the slide locks back after the last shot.  Even if it fails to lock back (weak mag spring), smack the fresh mag in, rack the slide, and keep shooting.

A good range instructor would also recognize the struggles with a new gun and would at least get you an initial cleaning and lube, even if minimal.  I am sorry you are having a rough go with it.

I’d try to politely find a new instructor.

Good luck!

Got it! Thank you very much.

[Esquilax]

a) You should not be working the slide itself. Assuming right handed, switch if lefty:

Right hand holds grip, finger off trigger.
Left hand holds slide with "meat" of palm more than fingers.
Left hand pulls back on slide, but especially right hand pushes forward at same time.

Only need to pull back slightly to check if loaded, and pull back once to load chamber before first shot. Between mags you can either push slide stop button or rack slide.

b) if click and no bang, keep barrel pointed in safe direction for 30 seconds in case ignition is delayed. Then eject round, inspect primer for dimple. Could be a firing pin issue but due to inconsistency suggests ammo issue.

[kstatinet]

a) You should not be working the slide itself. Assuming right handed, switch if lefty:

Right hand holds grip, finger off trigger.
Left hand holds slide with "meat" of palm more than fingers.
Left hand pulls back on slide, but especially right hand pushes forward at same time.

Only need to pull back slightly to check if loaded, and pull back once to load chamber before first shot. Between mags you can either push slide stop button or rack slide.

b) if click and no bang, keep barrel pointed in safe direction for 30 seconds in case ignition is delayed. Then eject round, inspect primer for dimple. Could be a firing pin issue but due to inconsistency suggests ammo issue.

Thank you! I got it now - not to engage slide stop at all.

We were instructed to engage the slide stop by the ranger watch guy each time the mag was emptied. The very first time trying to fire and 'click and no bang' was happening he showed us to engage slide stop.

[Esquilax]

Sounds like a very conservative approach to limit newbies doing something unsafe. Not wrong per se, but extra added steps to make it confusing.

[kstatinet]

a) it should lock open on finishing the last round, there is no need to work the catch.

b) I do not understand this one. Failure to eject is very different than pulling the trigger and no "bang." The latter suggests bad ammo not gun. Try different ammo to see if it just dislikes one, though it's not a picky gun. Try both round nose and hollow point, and Sellier & Bellot is what they test them with.

Cleaning is easy, the first step is the hardest. You need to pull the slide slightly back and then push the button with an object. The floor of a magazine will work though a punch or something will be easier. Then take the slide off, remove the recoil spring assembly and barrel. Clean visible parts.

a) The way the range instructor showed us how to load rami was as following:
i) mag is out
ii) with both fingers on the serrated part of the slide, retract the slide back and at the same time bring the slide stop up. bringing the slide stop up while sliding stop up WAS the moment we struggled with. it definetly took more than 5 sec and can't imagine it should take more than that when sh't happens.
iii) put mag in. look in the chamber
iv) retract the slide more to allow it go forward
v) shoot

b) the ammo i used was bought at Academy.  Monarch 9mm luger 115GR FMJ 50 cartridges.
"pulling the trigger and no "bang" that exactly what happened twice. the first time we had tried to take the mag out and slide back... but it was not sliding back as it seemed it was stuck and then we needed help from range watcher who also struggled for more than 15 sec.. he was just 'playing' the slide back & forth.

Monarch (Russian steel case) 9mm Ammo is pretty lousy: dirty, inaccurate, hard primers, etc.

Fiocchi fmj is probably the best cheap practice ammo you can get. Quality stuff for just a buck or two more than Russian 9mm.

Also, with the Rami, you’re going to need to pick up a few extra outer recoil springs from CZ, which tend to wear out after 500 rounds or so, always keeping a fresh spring in for self-defense.

Outer recoil spring for CZ on this website says to replace after 1k rounds
https://cajungunworks.com/product/60001-rami-recoil-spring-assembly/
it costs here $15
looks like the same spring from CZ cost $7 here https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100426158

Also, I remember now why I bought Monarch ammo. It was only one available due to covid-19 & Bernie :-)
Fiocchi is still OOS in most online stores.