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CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« on: March 18, 2020, 07:58:13 PM »
When CZ Custom debut'd the CZ 75 Bull Shadow prototype a couple of years ago, like a lot of CZ fans, I was pretty excited about it. It seemed like a major design breakthrough that seriously improved the gun's performance while eliminating the need for bushings and other extraneous parts that required tools for disassembly.

Last year, I purchased a Bull Shadow 2 from a fellow-member, thinking that it would make a great pistol for steel challenge matches. It should have, in theory, considering that I already owned a CZ Custom Shadow Orange and how reliable and flawless it had been since I bought it in 2017, I figured the Bull Shadow 2 was a fairly safe risk to take.

It wasn't.

The Bull Shadow 2 malfunctioned immediately. The slide and barrel were binding so badly that even applying copious amounts of different lubes made no difference whatsoever. It was so bad, in fact, that it was all I could do to rack the slide after 5-7 rounds. I did notice an excessive amount of free-play between the slide and barrel when the slide was locked in the rear position, though. It seemed excessive. It was like the barrel was flopping-around loosely inside the slide but CZ Custom assured me that it was normal for the Bull Shadows to be like that. Further, they had no idea why the barrel and slide were binding to the point of causing malfunctions but acted like it was something that I was doing wrong when I attempted to describe the issue. LOL Whatever.

I recently purchased a Bull Shadow SP-01 from CZ Custom, thinking that the Bull Shadow 2 was probably just an anomaly and that there was no way in hell I'd have another bad Bull Shadow experience but, sure enough, the SP-01's extractor broke after 53 rounds during its first range trip. I called CZ Custom, of course, and after three e-mails and two additional follow-up phone calls they finally e-mailed a pre-paid shipping label.

One thing I will say is that the SP-01 version of the Bull Shadow seemed to be fitted much better than the Bull Shadow 2 version, meaning that the barrel wasn't nearly as loose when the slide was locked to the rear but I can't imagine why an extractor would fail so spectacularly after just 53 rounds?  I'm gonna have to chalk this experience up to some bad luck and stick with what works.     

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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2020, 08:51:04 PM »
Thanks for posting your experience!  I had a hunch when these were initially released that they were not the holy grail.
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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2020, 09:22:14 PM »
Thanks for posting your experience!  I had a hunch when these were initially released that they were not the holy grail.

Hated to do it but, I needed to vent.  I've never owned any pistol that broke an extractor after only 53 rounds.   

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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2020, 09:34:49 PM »
Was the issue with the B.S. 2 ever fixed? They didn't even ask you to send it in?

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2020, 10:07:33 PM »
Was the issue with the B.S. 2 ever fixed? They didn't even ask you to send it in?

The fellow-forum member I got it from is a friend who offered to buy it back.  I'm not sure what he did with it after that but, no, they didn't offer any assistance since I wasn't the original owner.   

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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2020, 11:43:34 PM »
I don't know what to say about your unfortunate experience with your second hand gun that wouldn't run.

But in this case if that extractor breaking bothers you so much it should turn you off of all CZs, not the CZC uppers.

The upper is theirs, yes.  I am almost 100% sure the extractor is just an off the shelf CZ 75 extractor though, as many of the small parts and springs are.

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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2020, 04:52:09 AM »
I don't know what to say about your unfortunate experience with your second hand gun that wouldn't run.

You don't have to say anything.  I'm not seeking validation. 

But in this case if that extractor breaking bothers you so much it should turn you off of all CZs, not the CZC uppers.

Why would I do that?  I've owned multiple CZ pistols during the last 40+ years and all have served me well, except the two that were Bull Shadows from CZ Custom.  I wasn't bothered by the extractor breaking, I was bothered by what I considered a, "we'll-get-to-it-when-we-can-get-to-it" vibe when I tried to arrange having it shipped back to them for repairs.  I think anyone who is considering spending thousands of $ with a company should know upfront about the kind of treatment they can expect if/when they encounter a problem. 

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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2020, 08:19:07 AM »
Angus Hobdell is a moderator on this forum. I am quite surprised that he has not responded to this post. Perhaps he already knows about these issues!

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2020, 09:18:53 AM »
I don't know what to say about your unfortunate experience with your second hand gun that wouldn't run.

You don't have to say anything.  I'm not seeking validation. 

But in this case if that extractor breaking bothers you so much it should turn you off of all CZs, not the CZC uppers.

Why would I do that?  I've owned multiple CZ pistols during the last 40+ years and all have served me well, except the two that were Bull Shadows from CZ Custom.  I wasn't bothered by the extractor breaking, I was bothered by what I considered a, "we'll-get-to-it-when-we-can-get-to-it" vibe when I tried to arrange having it shipped back to them for repairs.  I think anyone who is considering spending thousands of $ with a company should know upfront about the kind of treatment they can expect if/when they encounter a problem.

Ok, so it was the service, not the part that disillusioned you, get you now.

I've read reports about their CS being like that at times but never experienced them first hand as I've always had good dealings with Stuart.

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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2020, 11:05:20 AM »
We've got two threads in the same forum on the same subject now. One's enough. I'm leaving this one up for the time being and closing the other.
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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2020, 11:43:33 AM »
Angus Hobdell is a moderator on this forum. I am quite surprised that he has not responded to this post. Perhaps he already knows about these issues!

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Angus hasn't been active here since March of 2018.

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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2020, 02:35:04 PM »
We all done yet?
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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2020, 03:37:28 PM »
This guy has the same thread going on in another forum. Just appears to be bashing CZ Custom.
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Re: CZ Custom Bull Shadows: I Think I'm Done With 'Em
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2020, 03:43:36 PM »
Yep, I think everyone's got the point by now.

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