P07 Spring kits. MCarbo VS CGW

[Yellowdog55]

My new p07 needs a little love. It is my new dedicated home defense/range gun. I want to lighten up the Da/Sa pulls and smooth things out. My question is would you trust your life to the $20 Mcarbo Kit? Or would you go with a CGW kit? Gun must go band every time.

[m1a_scoutguy]

My new p07 needs a little love. It is my new dedicated home defense/range gun. I want to lighten up the Da/Sa pulls and smooth things out. My question is would you trust your life to the $20 Mcarbo Kit? Or would you go with a CGW kit? Gun must go band every time.

I have never heard of the Mcarbo Kit!  If it's new and gonna be a range/SD gun put some rounds down it before you do "anything"! I bought a new OD Green one last summer and while the trigger was nothing to write home about it was not that bad, after I put 1K though the gun it improved some. I guess the question is why take a chance, we all know CGW is the go-to place 1st and foremost and https://czcustom.com/ is in the same boat. Shoot the gun 1st and then decide.

[KennyE]

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=106070.0

Quite the discussion on the M*Carbo kit, right there ^^

[jurek]

I've heard a lot of positives about M-Carbo kit. Never heard any complains from people using it.
I personally spoke with the owner last fall. MCarbo wasn't known well that time, but that guy was so knowledgeable. Unfortunately they didn't offer kit for OMEGA systems and I went with CGW, but next time I need it I would go with M-Carbo.

Comparing to CGW quality... the same for sure.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

My new p07 needs a little love. It is my new dedicated home defense/range gun. I want to lighten up the Da/Sa pulls and smooth things out. My question is would you trust your life to the $20 Mcarbo Kit? Or would you go with a CGW kit? Gun must go band every time.

I've never used anything but CGW or CZ Custom upgrades but that's not to say the Mcarbo kit isn't good as well. Any gun that I may use to defend myself must fire 500 rnds of practice ammo flawlessly plus another couple hundred rounds of defensive ammo of various kinds without any failures of any kind. If it does that I feel I can trust it. If not any issues get resolved and the test starts over. A person should never put a gun in a defensive role unless it's been properly vetted whether the gun has been modded or not.

[Earl Keese]

I've heard a lot of positives about M-Carbo kit. Never heard any complains from people using it.
I personally spoke with the owner last fall. MCarbo wasn't known well that time, but that guy was so knowledgeable. Unfortunately they didn't offer kit for OMEGA systems and I went with CGW, but next time I need it I would go with M-Carbo.

Comparing o CGW quality... the same for sure.

Why would you say this about a product you have no personal experience with? Your advice tends to contain an awful lot of speculation.

[jurek]

Why would you say this about a product you have no personal experience with? Your advice tends to contain an awful lot of speculation.

It depends how we define personal experience.
I do not have MCarbo on any of my handguns, that is true. But I've shot pistols with CGW and MCarbo parts and couldn't find any differences. Both sets left positive feelings.
I haven't mentioned this fact because I felt that shooting one day might not be long enough, so I've referred to my friends' experience.
Regarding quality of both products... I've had both in my hands... so adding my short shooting history and long friends' experience I could say: the same for sure.

I'm a wise man. All my words on this forum are backed by experience. If not I would definitely use word "speculation" .

[Rmach]

I have MCARBO kits installed in my four CZ 75b's, and each one is performing flawlessly after thousands of rounds.

[theoldmusicman]

I've been wanting to upgrade my p-07 with a CGW Pro kit since I got it last year but right now I can't afford almost $250 for the CGW kit, but I can afford $25 for the MCarbo kit.   I'm just curious to know if anyone has actually installed the MCarbo kit in their p-07, or p-09, and how well it worked and what the results were as far as trigger pull weights, both DA and SA, before and after install.

[nonamehavei]

https://cajungunworks.com/product/spgk79-yellow-self-defense-hammer-spring/
I have installed this kit from cajun gun works in my P07

https://www.mcarbo.com/cz-p07-trigger-spring-kit.aspx

And I have tried this kit in my P07 and P09. I like that the cajun springs are color coded and you can tell what weight you are using. The mcarbo kit replaces more springs, but in my experience I had an issue with the TRS they sent with the kit, and after install I didn’t “feel “ like the change in trigger pull was as substantial as with the CGW spring kit. Full disclosure I do not have a device to measure trigger pull so I don’t know what the actual weight difference was, I was just going by an install pull trigger, install other kit pull trigger, and these are just my personal opinions on the feel of the trigger after the spring install. I did contact mcarbo about the TRS issue and the fact that the trigger lull did not seem to feel like it changed much. The gentleman at mcarbo I spoke to was very helpful and sent me out a replacement TRS and a lighter hammer spring that did feel like it came closer to the chance that the CGW kit made. I have been running CGW parts in my CZs for as long as I have had CZs and I would trust my life to them. The MCARBO kit IMHO I need more time with before I would trust in a gun I would bet my life on. That’s just my take as a guy who has tried both platforms on the model pistols that the OP is asking about. I hope this was helpful. [emoji3][emoji41][emoji106][emoji631]

[CCWLearner]

I've been wanting to upgrade my p-07 with a CGW Pro kit since I got it last year but right now I can't afford almost $250 for the CGW kit, but I can afford $25 for the MCarbo kit.   I'm just curious to know if anyone has actually installed the MCarbo kit in their p-07, or p-09, and how well it worked and what the results were as far as trigger pull weights, both DA and SA, before and after install.

I have no experience with the MCarbo kit.  I have run a variety of CGW parts in two P-07's which are both 100% reliable with the ammo I use for practice and self-defense.  You don't have to buy the full $250 kit.  If I had a stock P-07 or P-09 and wanted to improve it for cheap with CGW parts, I would go with the following:

RP-FPBS Reduced Power Plunger Spring $5.00
97041 Firing Pin Spring $5.00
61100 Firing Pin Retaining Pin $5.00
#15 Hammer Spring $7.00
Reduced Power Trigger Return Spring $7.00

So for $29 you should end up with significantly lighter DA pull (hammer spring, plunger spring, TRS) , slightly lighter SA pull (plunger spring), and a more reliable gun (FPRP, TRS) that will hopefully still go bang with your ammo (FPS to compensate for lighter hammer spring).  Once installed, you will need to test this in your gun with the ammo you use, especially the ammo you carry.

This is what I carry in both of my P-07's, but I also run the CGW hammer, DA roller, and extra heavy sear spring for a crisp 3.5 lb SA, smooth DA around 7-8 lb, and 100% reliability with the ammo I shoot.  These improvements cost a lot ($113) compared to the $29 worth of springs and pin identified above.  Without the hammer and DA roller, you will still have creep in your SA pull, and your DA pull won't be as smooth, but it will still be a major improvement over stock.  The extra heavy sear spring guarantees reliability of the CGW hammer and actually increases the trigger pull a bit.

In my opinion, you don't need the SRK, extended firing pin, or custom trigger unless you are setting your gun up for competition with an even lighter hammer spring, trying to reduce all trigger slop and overtravel as much as possible, etc.

[Dwright]

I installed the M*Carbo kit in my P-07 and I also polished the internals.  The trigger pull is so much nicer.  I don't have a pull gauge but the trigger pull weight is noticeably lighter and the polishing made it MUCH smoother.

The TRS did break after about 6000 dry fires and 400 live rounds.  I contacted M*Carbo and they sent me a new TRS.

This isn't a carry gun.  I keep my carry guns pretty much stock except for some polishing of internals.

For $20.00 shipped you can't really go wrong.

[briang2ad]

The deal with CGW is customer service.  They TALK to you - if you have a problem, they answer emails and they generally answer the phone and give cogent advise.  They've been operating for decades and know what they are doing.  For me that is a huge plus. 

They also have other parts that are very ingenius and well made. Just the extended FP is a big plus.  Put that in and run a 15LB spring and have a greta trigger and ignite Steel cased stuff all day.  Anyone can put in a 13 LB spring and have a 6.5 LB spring. 

The TRS is a design flaw in the CZ - they break.  Its a problem we all live with. 

The next biggest problem, especially in the OMEGA is stacking.  Some guns have it bad and it takes a bunch of work to get rid of it. Mostly on the TB in the rear, but its a PITA.  Too bad in a great shooting gun.  Springs don't fix this.

Having said all this, I think having options and more businesses is always a good thing!  Death to socialism.

[nonamehavei]

The deal with CGW is customer service.  They TALK to you - if you have a problem, they answer emails and they generally answer the phone and give cogent advise.  They've been operating for decades and know what they are doing.  For me that is a huge plus. 

They also have other parts that are very ingenius and well made. Just the extended FP is a big plus.  Put that in and run a 15LB spring and have a greta trigger and ignite Steel cased stuff all day.  Anyone can put in a 13 LB spring and have a 6.5 LB spring. 

The TRS is a design flaw in the CZ - they break.  Its a problem we all live with. 

The next biggest problem, especially in the OMEGA is stacking.  Some guns have it bad and it takes a bunch of work to get rid of it. Mostly on the TB in the rear, but its a PITA.  Too bad in a great shooting gun.  Springs don't fix this.

Having said all this, I think having options and more businesses is always a good thing!  Death to socialism.

I will second briang2ads statement that cajun gun works customer service is second to none! That said I needed to contact MCarbo about the kits I ordered for my P-series guns and they were very responsive and helpful as well.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

The deal with CGW is customer service.  They TALK to you - if you have a problem, they answer emails and they generally answer the phone and give cogent advise.  They've been operating for decades and know what they are doing.  For me that is a huge plus. 

They also have other parts that are very ingenius and well made. Just the extended FP is a big plus.  Put that in and run a 15LB spring and have a greta trigger and ignite Steel cased stuff all day.  Anyone can put in a 13 LB spring and have a 6.5 LB spring. 

The TRS is a design flaw in the CZ - they break.  Its a problem we all live with. 

The next biggest problem, especially in the OMEGA is stacking.  Some guns have it bad and it takes a bunch of work to get rid of it. Mostly on the TB in the rear, but its a PITA.  Too bad in a great shooting gun.  Springs don't fix this.

Having said all this, I think having options and more businesses is always a good thing!  Death to socialism.

I will second briang2ads statement that cajun gun works customer service is second to none! That said I needed to contact MCarbo about the kits I ordered for my P-series guns and they were very responsive and helpful as well.

I've bought from CGW several times in the past and will likely do so in the future. When the man that runs the business will take the time to speak with customers during the course of a busy day that's worth alot.